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23 Jul 2022, 1:57 am

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From a liberal perspective, they really should be seeing Trump as the lesser evil to DeSantis who is an experienced conservative politician with a history of intentionally smacking liberals around.


Trump enabled a lot republican fantasies like revoking Roe Vs Wade and locking up brown babies in cages so whoever it is (Trump or DeSantis) is going to be bad news.



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23 Jul 2022, 2:11 am

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From a liberal perspective, they really should be seeing Trump as the lesser evil to DeSantis who is an experienced conservative politician with a history of intentionally smacking liberals around.


Trump enabled a lot republican fantasies like revoking Roe Vs Wade and locking up brown babies in cages so whoever it is (Trump or DeSantis) is going to be bad news.


Yeah, for your kind it will be.
:lol: :lmao: :lmao:


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23 Jul 2022, 2:21 am

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They know that Trump could actually win in '24 and it would be 4-8 years of hell for them.


How can it be 8 years if he already served one of the terms? So now he has only 1 term left that he is still allowed to serve, which would only be 4 years?

I thought the law that says "no more than 2 terms" refers to total of 2 terms in a lifetime, rather than 2 consecutive terms? Or am I mistaken?



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23 Jul 2022, 3:05 am

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They labor under the illusion that we're too embarrassed, ashamed, and/or in denial to watch that dog & pony show.
The fact is that we just don't give enough of a rats ass and that worries the hell out of them. They know that Trump could actually win in '24 and it would be 4-8 years of hell for them. :twisted:

From a liberal perspective, they really should be seeing Trump as the lesser evil to DeSantis who is an experienced conservative politician with a history of intentionally smacking liberals around.

I for one couldn't care less because I'm quite certain given the six year track record, it will go absolutely nowhere and result in nothing.

I've been thinking they're going to be so preoccupied with old Trump, that they're going to get blindsided by young DeSantis. For the first time I just watched some video of him. Good looks, good speaker, young but not boyish, has charisma. I don't think Biden in his 80s would stand a chance against Ron DeSantis in his mid 40s.



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23 Jul 2022, 3:14 am

Raptor wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Raptor wrote:
From a liberal perspective, they really should be seeing Trump as the lesser evil to DeSantis who is an experienced conservative politician with a history of intentionally smacking liberals around.


Trump enabled a lot republican fantasies like revoking Roe Vs Wade and locking up brown babies in cages so whoever it is (Trump or DeSantis) is going to be bad news.


Yeah, for your kind it will be.
:lol: :lmao: :lmao:


I mean I live in Australia so I just feel sorry for your countrymen.



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23 Jul 2022, 4:29 am

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From a liberal perspective, they really should be seeing Trump as the lesser evil to DeSantis who is an experienced conservative politician with a history of intentionally smacking liberals around.


I've been thinking they're going to be so preoccupied with old Trump, that they're going to get blindsided by young DeSantis. For the first time I just watched some video of him. Good looks, good speaker, young but not boyish, has charisma. I don't think Biden in his 80s would stand a chance against Ron DeSantis in his mid 40s.

As a I die hard anti-Trumper since he came down the escalator I both completely agree with these analyses and have seen this antidotely. I have often said on these pages my nightmare would be a smoother, smarter, less impulsive version of Trump. DeSantis is that guy.

When I have mentioned this about DeSantis to liberals and progressives I get the same expressions of utter shock I used to get back in 2016 when I said Trump might win.

Oversimplifying things Trump infuriates with rhetoric, DeSantis gets things done. DeSantis has the potential to unite both main elements of the Republican base the own the libs part and the fundamentalist Christian and anti-woke culture warrior parts. When Trump throws his s**t at DeSantis DeSantis can say "I am the guy the freed my state, while all you did was complain about Fauci the guy YOU appointed to run anti-COVID and then kept"

That all said there are two caveats I have about anointing DeSantis for the 2024 Republican Presidential nomination. If the progressives can not let go of Trump due to Trump derangement syndrome can the Republican base do that or are they too much of a cult to do the logical thing? The other thing is a DeSantis presidential run is hypothetical at this point. He has not faced Trump the master at distracting people/getting under their skin. We don't know what is hidden in DeSantis closet, once the media realizes "Oh s**t, this guy might actually win" can DeSantis handle the withering scrutiny that makes Trump stronger?


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23 Jul 2022, 4:53 am

cyberdad wrote:
Raptor wrote:
From a liberal perspective, they really should be seeing Trump as the lesser evil to DeSantis who is an experienced conservative politician with a history of intentionally smacking liberals around.


Trump enabled a lot republican fantasies like revoking Roe Vs Wade and locking up brown babies in cages so whoever it is (Trump or DeSantis) is going to be bad news.


We need a lessor evil that is not DeSantis or any other ancient. I was thinking perhaps AOC but my boyfriend thinks perhaps she could do more with other positions..but dammit we need someone younger with some energy...Biden is too old for another term...I voted for him but he cannot responsibly take another term...he is too old.

That said he took responsibility when other democrats were dropping out of the presidential race, and biden cares aboutt this country and didn't want to give it up to Trump so he took a chancee and ran and he beat Trump so I am not anti-Biden I think he is doing what he can but even so he is very old so we cannot depend on him like we need someone younger who can do it without trying to smooth it over with the other side. I am sorry but the other side is basically openly fascist and you cannot reach across the aisle with fascists. The dems need to play rougher instead of letting republicans walk all over them.

Just a disclaimer not saying every republican is a facist but the overall GOP seems facist so that is what I mean when I say republican not every person here who leans that way, just specifically the facist GOP in the U.S. I recognize some people are misguided and still don't see what is so bad about trump or this or that and I do not think they are necessarily all fascists, just like I don't think all the German civilians where nazis during the holocaust.


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23 Jul 2022, 6:18 am

Hopefully neither Biden nor Trump will run.



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23 Jul 2022, 2:10 pm

trump committed crimes. It'd be extremely partisan of the DOJ to Not charge him with multiple crimes.

As David Pakman has also pointed out many times, desantis is a more dangerous version of trump because he's more competent at actually getting things done. Obviously I don't want him as POTUS, either.

Ideally it'd be someone like Bernie Sanders. But if it has to swing back to the republican side of things next go 'round, I'd be content to see a guy like Dwayne Johnson run and win - even if he does identify as a republican, he's a level headed Nice hard working charismatic guy that people like. Many good qualities as a man, potential politician - not a swamp monster like "what emoluments clause?" trump or "time to hate people," desantis.


Just listening to the season finale now - more than half way through. Looking forward to the next hearings & headlines about all the other proceedings about to commence around the country.. for trump, for his lackeys etc.


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23 Jul 2022, 2:26 pm

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They know that Trump could actually win in '24 and it would be 4-8 years of hell for them.


How can it be 8 years if he already served one of the terms? So now he has only 1 term left that he is still allowed to serve, which would only be 4 years?

I thought the law that says "no more than 2 terms" refers to total of 2 terms in a lifetime, rather than 2 consecutive terms? Or am I mistaken?


You are right QFT. The 22nd Amendment limits the presidency to two terms of 4 years total, regardless if they are consecutive or not. It can be less under certain circumstances. In the case of President Ford, he took over for Nixon for three years. He could only have led one more term before he would have been ruled out by the Amendment, but he lost to Carter in 1976 making that a moot point. His three years in office counts the same as a four year term, since it was more than half of a term. Trump would like to remove the 22nd Amendment if he got back in, but he would not hold the power to do so. Only Congress can change that rule.



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23 Jul 2022, 2:37 pm

Raptor wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Raptor wrote:
From a liberal perspective, they really should be seeing Trump as the lesser evil to DeSantis who is an experienced conservative politician with a history of intentionally smacking liberals around.


Trump enabled a lot republican fantasies like revoking Roe Vs Wade and locking up brown babies in cages so whoever it is (Trump or DeSantis) is going to be bad news.


Yeah, for your kind it will be.
:lol: :lmao: :lmao:


Sounds like reichwingers might need to be reminded they're not the majority, they're just an especially whiny minority. :wink:


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23 Jul 2022, 4:40 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Raptor wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Raptor wrote:
From a liberal perspective, they really should be seeing Trump as the lesser evil to DeSantis who is an experienced conservative politician with a history of intentionally smacking liberals around.


Trump enabled a lot republican fantasies like revoking Roe Vs Wade and locking up brown babies in cages so whoever it is (Trump or DeSantis) is going to be bad news.


Yeah, for your kind it will be.
:lol: :lmao: :lmao:


Sounds like reichwingers might need to be reminded they're not the majority, they're just an especially whiny minority. :wink:

Depends on who's counting the votes. :wink:

Yeah, I remember all the conservatives falling to their knees and crying over Biden.

Oh wait......

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23 Jul 2022, 4:50 pm

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funeralxempire wrote:
Raptor wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Raptor wrote:
From a liberal perspective, they really should be seeing Trump as the lesser evil to DeSantis who is an experienced conservative politician with a history of intentionally smacking liberals around.


Trump enabled a lot republican fantasies like revoking Roe Vs Wade and locking up brown babies in cages so whoever it is (Trump or DeSantis) is going to be bad news.


Yeah, for your kind it will be.
:lol: :lmao: :lmao:


Sounds like reichwingers might need to be reminded they're not the majority, they're just an especially whiny minority. :wink:

Depends on who's counting the votes. :wink:

Yeah, I remember all the conservatives falling to their knees and crying over Biden.

Oh wait......

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Look at how much more dignified and restrained conservatives are.
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You've certainly made your point and I concede that only left wingers ever express emotion in response to defeat.

Clearly all those conspiracy theories about the election being stolen are actually being spread by liberals pretending to be conservatives and not actual conservatives. Of course following that logic it seems that all conservative spaces are dominated by leftists LARPing as outraged conservatives and those millions of senile beer-bellies cosplaying as special forces aren't actually conservative at all...

...but if that's the case conservatives are an even smaller, even more irrelevant faction to worry about.

Or you're just pretending rage is only valid when it's expressed by people you agree with which would clearly make your opinions valuable and worthy of consideration.


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23 Jul 2022, 5:16 pm

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Well, if I had a choice between being a snowflake like this
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Or a participant in a REAL insurrection that gets results
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I'll take the latter. :twisted:

Some of those Jan. 6th hooligans probably brought along picnic baskets.


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23 Jul 2022, 5:25 pm

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Well, if I had a choice between being a snowflake like this
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Or a participant in a REAL insurrection that gets results
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I'll take the latter. :twisted:

Some of those Jan. 6th hooligans probably brought along picnic baskets.


You don't have that choice though, the people on your side are just the needledick version of that woman you keep mocking, there's just a lack of self-awareness that causes you to overlook that.

There ain't a tough guy among that entire crowd just a bunch of children LARPing. That's the entirety of the far-right and the self-proclaimed tough guys it produces.


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23 Jul 2022, 5:26 pm

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Or a participant in a REAL insurrection that gets results
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I'll take the latter. :twisted:

Some of those Jan. 6th hooligans probably brought along picnic baskets.[/quote]
Why do you even live in the USA if you have such contempt for it's system of government that you're cheerleading for someone to overthrow the government? :?


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