22 Nov 2018, 12:13 pm
thoughtbeast wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
sly279 wrote:
envirozentinel wrote:
I don't think that's what they're saying.
It's the extremist element that is a problem.
It's the extremist element that is a problem.
They call trump supporters and republicans racist nazis for disagreeing with them on political issue, they seem to believe al republicans and trump supporters are racist nazis , what do you suppose their reasoning is? They certainly haven’t talked to 150 million people on the other side to come to such a conclusion.
In fact there’s quite a few here all who aren’t racist or a nazi as proof their claim is false.
Why would anyone align themselves with a political party (Republicans) who have openly white supremacist & nazi leadership/members/White House administration and then expect others to give them a pass for it?
trump’s campaign ran with a recycled phrase “America First,” which was from a white supremacist political movement in the 1930’s. It was a nod to white supremacists that he was their man to vote for. trump recently called himself a “nationalist,” in order to appeal to white supremacists before the midterm election.
They also used the phrases “he who holds the gold makes the rules,” and “to the victor go the spoils.” These are both direct quotes from a philosophy book called “Might is Right,” by Ragnar Redbeard - an anonymous Chicago area Doctor - 1897. The book is embraced by white supremacists and Satanists. In fact, the Satanic Bible was plagiarized from it. Anyways, I’ve read the book. It’s a fantastic philosophy from the Satanist perspective, but the white supremacy element to it is deplorable mind pollution. trump’s campaign used these phrases to speak to far right white supremacists who are familiar with this book.
Sebastian Gorka openly wore a nazi affiliated war medal at official events. trump just had the leader of a far right white supremacist group from Sweden at the White House. Arthur Jones, a holocaust denier and open nazi, was a republican candidate in Illinois. Charlottesville. And on and on and on.
The number of white supremacists and nazis that it’s okay to align yourself with is Zero, sly. trump/republican supporters are what’s called “guilty by association.” If they don’t want to be berated for associating with white supremacists and nazis, hey should opt to have nothing to do with them vs support the politicians and political party that’s embracing such deplorable people.
Why would anyone associate themselves with the Democrats who have voted for wars that have killed millions?
Why would anyone associate themselves with the Republicans who have voted for wars that have killed millions?
See how whataboutism works? It's futile and distracts from the issue of the moment.
Now: Trump is holding children in concentration camps.
Now: Trump is working to suppress the right to vote.
Now: Trump spreads fear.
Now: Trump spreads bigotry.
Now: Trump threatens victims of wildfires.
Now: Trump killed 3,000 Puerto Ricans.
And so many more that we could make a full litany of it.
Your obfuscatory posts try to inject whataboutism into everything. Actually, I agree with much of what you say and that the people who did those things deserve to be punished, here's an example of my own 1 (youtube), but your statements divert people off task, which is to post news about a particular current, ongoing injustice that might be stopped or at least ameliorated if enough people know about it. If for every wrong today you point out that similar wrongs occurred in the past, that certainly doesn't get the current criminal off the hook.
Two wrongs don't make a right, or haven't you heard that before? And, if anything, your statements constitute a further indictment of Trump because those events prove that he should know the wrongfulness of the things he does. Okay, so FDR imprisoned Japanese-Americans in concentration camps during World War II and that was intensely wrong. I doubt that George Takei is out there cheering Trump on now for imprisoning children (more than 13,000 at last count) in his concentration camps.
1 (youtube):
So if Trump and his fellow goons deny medical assistance to Yemeni children, is that what you're going to do? Point to Madeleine Albright with whataboutism and say "Oh, badmanorange, but what about Albright and the Iraqi kids?" That's a formula for never learning or taking action about anything.
'Whataboutery' is just a term used by those who don't want to admit to their hypocrisy. I didn't see you screaming about Obama every day when he was carrying out a lot of the same policies Trump is. If anyone supports the current Democratic party they have no right at all to criticise Trump, NONE.
22 Nov 2018, 6:33 pm
JohnPowell wrote:
thoughtbeast wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
sly279 wrote:
envirozentinel wrote:
I don't think that's what they're saying.
It's the extremist element that is a problem.
It's the extremist element that is a problem.
They call trump supporters and republicans racist nazis for disagreeing with them on political issue, they seem to believe al republicans and trump supporters are racist nazis , what do you suppose their reasoning is? They certainly haven’t talked to 150 million people on the other side to come to such a conclusion.
In fact there’s quite a few here all who aren’t racist or a nazi as proof their claim is false.
Why would anyone align themselves with a political party (Republicans) who have openly white supremacist & nazi leadership/members/White House administration and then expect others to give them a pass for it?
trump’s campaign ran with a recycled phrase “America First,” which was from a white supremacist political movement in the 1930’s. It was a nod to white supremacists that he was their man to vote for. trump recently called himself a “nationalist,” in order to appeal to white supremacists before the midterm election.
They also used the phrases “he who holds the gold makes the rules,” and “to the victor go the spoils.” These are both direct quotes from a philosophy book called “Might is Right,” by Ragnar Redbeard - an anonymous Chicago area Doctor - 1897. The book is embraced by white supremacists and Satanists. In fact, the Satanic Bible was plagiarized from it. Anyways, I’ve read the book. It’s a fantastic philosophy from the Satanist perspective, but the white supremacy element to it is deplorable mind pollution. trump’s campaign used these phrases to speak to far right white supremacists who are familiar with this book.
Sebastian Gorka openly wore a nazi affiliated war medal at official events. trump just had the leader of a far right white supremacist group from Sweden at the White House. Arthur Jones, a holocaust denier and open nazi, was a republican candidate in Illinois. Charlottesville. And on and on and on.
The number of white supremacists and nazis that it’s okay to align yourself with is Zero, sly. trump/republican supporters are what’s called “guilty by association.” If they don’t want to be berated for associating with white supremacists and nazis, hey should opt to have nothing to do with them vs support the politicians and political party that’s embracing such deplorable people.
Why would anyone associate themselves with the Democrats who have voted for wars that have killed millions?
Why would anyone associate themselves with the Republicans who have voted for wars that have killed millions?
See how whataboutism works? It's futile and distracts from the issue of the moment.
Now: Trump is holding children in concentration camps.
Now: Trump is working to suppress the right to vote.
Now: Trump spreads fear.
Now: Trump spreads bigotry.
Now: Trump threatens victims of wildfires.
Now: Trump killed 3,000 Puerto Ricans.
And so many more that we could make a full litany of it.
Your obfuscatory posts try to inject whataboutism into everything. Actually, I agree with much of what you say and that the people who did those things deserve to be punished, here's an example of my own 1 (youtube), but your statements divert people off task, which is to post news about a particular current, ongoing injustice that might be stopped or at least ameliorated if enough people know about it. If for every wrong today you point out that similar wrongs occurred in the past, that certainly doesn't get the current criminal off the hook.
Two wrongs don't make a right, or haven't you heard that before? And, if anything, your statements constitute a further indictment of Trump because those events prove that he should know the wrongfulness of the things he does. Okay, so FDR imprisoned Japanese-Americans in concentration camps during World War II and that was intensely wrong. I doubt that George Takei is out there cheering Trump on now for imprisoning children (more than 13,000 at last count) in his concentration camps.
1 (youtube):
So if Trump and his fellow goons deny medical assistance to Yemeni children, is that what you're going to do? Point to Madeleine Albright with whataboutism and say "Oh, badmanorange, but what about Albright and the Iraqi kids?" That's a formula for never learning or taking action about anything.
'Whataboutery' is just a term used by those who don't want to admit to their hypocrisy. I didn't see you screaming about Obama every day when he was carrying out a lot of the same policies Trump is. If anyone supports the current Democratic party they have no right at all to criticise Trump, NONE.
"If anyone supports the current Democratic party they have no right at all to criticise Trump, NONE."
Fortunately, in America, you're wrong.
Everyone has the right to criticize badmanorange.
For the time being.
22 Nov 2018, 6:50 pm
goldfish21
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22 Nov 2018, 8:59 pm
Michael Moore’s idea is a good one. 
_________________
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for supporting trump. Because doing so is deplorable.
22 Nov 2018, 9:36 pm
goldfish21 wrote:
Michael Moore’s idea is a good one.
I don't understand why his current films apparently aren't nearly as successful as his earlier films.
22 Nov 2018, 10:58 pm
Magna wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Michael Moore’s idea is a good one.
I don't understand why his current films apparently aren't nearly as successful as his earlier films.
A rather sly, irrelevant, off-topic, and snarky attempt at distraction. Michael Moore's prognostications concerning Trump have been on target, including the 2016 result. But please, go ahead and ignore his suggestion about using ballot initiatives to incentivize voters to go to the polling place.
Bwoo-ha-ha!
22 Nov 2018, 11:04 pm
22 Nov 2018, 11:19 pm
23 Nov 2018, 12:33 pm
thoughtbeast wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
thoughtbeast wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
sly279 wrote:
envirozentinel wrote:
I don't think that's what they're saying.
It's the extremist element that is a problem.
It's the extremist element that is a problem.
They call trump supporters and republicans racist nazis for disagreeing with them on political issue, they seem to believe al republicans and trump supporters are racist nazis , what do you suppose their reasoning is? They certainly haven’t talked to 150 million people on the other side to come to such a conclusion.
In fact there’s quite a few here all who aren’t racist or a nazi as proof their claim is false.
Why would anyone align themselves with a political party (Republicans) who have openly white supremacist & nazi leadership/members/White House administration and then expect others to give them a pass for it?
trump’s campaign ran with a recycled phrase “America First,” which was from a white supremacist political movement in the 1930’s. It was a nod to white supremacists that he was their man to vote for. trump recently called himself a “nationalist,” in order to appeal to white supremacists before the midterm election.
They also used the phrases “he who holds the gold makes the rules,” and “to the victor go the spoils.” These are both direct quotes from a philosophy book called “Might is Right,” by Ragnar Redbeard - an anonymous Chicago area Doctor - 1897. The book is embraced by white supremacists and Satanists. In fact, the Satanic Bible was plagiarized from it. Anyways, I’ve read the book. It’s a fantastic philosophy from the Satanist perspective, but the white supremacy element to it is deplorable mind pollution. trump’s campaign used these phrases to speak to far right white supremacists who are familiar with this book.
Sebastian Gorka openly wore a nazi affiliated war medal at official events. trump just had the leader of a far right white supremacist group from Sweden at the White House. Arthur Jones, a holocaust denier and open nazi, was a republican candidate in Illinois. Charlottesville. And on and on and on.
The number of white supremacists and nazis that it’s okay to align yourself with is Zero, sly. trump/republican supporters are what’s called “guilty by association.” If they don’t want to be berated for associating with white supremacists and nazis, hey should opt to have nothing to do with them vs support the politicians and political party that’s embracing such deplorable people.
Why would anyone associate themselves with the Democrats who have voted for wars that have killed millions?
Why would anyone associate themselves with the Republicans who have voted for wars that have killed millions?
See how whataboutism works? It's futile and distracts from the issue of the moment.
Now: Trump is holding children in concentration camps.
Now: Trump is working to suppress the right to vote.
Now: Trump spreads fear.
Now: Trump spreads bigotry.
Now: Trump threatens victims of wildfires.
Now: Trump killed 3,000 Puerto Ricans.
And so many more that we could make a full litany of it.
Your obfuscatory posts try to inject whataboutism into everything. Actually, I agree with much of what you say and that the people who did those things deserve to be punished, here's an example of my own 1 (youtube), but your statements divert people off task, which is to post news about a particular current, ongoing injustice that might be stopped or at least ameliorated if enough people know about it. If for every wrong today you point out that similar wrongs occurred in the past, that certainly doesn't get the current criminal off the hook.
Two wrongs don't make a right, or haven't you heard that before? And, if anything, your statements constitute a further indictment of Trump because those events prove that he should know the wrongfulness of the things he does. Okay, so FDR imprisoned Japanese-Americans in concentration camps during World War II and that was intensely wrong. I doubt that George Takei is out there cheering Trump on now for imprisoning children (more than 13,000 at last count) in his concentration camps.
1 (youtube):
So if Trump and his fellow goons deny medical assistance to Yemeni children, is that what you're going to do? Point to Madeleine Albright with whataboutism and say "Oh, badmanorange, but what about Albright and the Iraqi kids?" That's a formula for never learning or taking action about anything.
'Whataboutery' is just a term used by those who don't want to admit to their hypocrisy. I didn't see you screaming about Obama every day when he was carrying out a lot of the same policies Trump is. If anyone supports the current Democratic party they have no right at all to criticise Trump, NONE.
"If anyone supports the current Democratic party they have no right at all to criticise Trump, NONE."
Fortunately, in America, you're wrong.
Everyone has the right to criticize badmanorange.
For the time being.
I am copying from something Chomsky said. If you just focus on your opponents crimes and ignore your side's he says you don't have the right to speak.
23 Nov 2018, 1:22 pm
VegetableMan wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
thoughtbeast wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
thoughtbeast wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
sly279 wrote:
envirozentinel wrote:
I don't think that's what they're saying.
It's the extremist element that is a problem.
It's the extremist element that is a problem.
They call trump supporters and republicans racist nazis for disagreeing with them on political issue, they seem to believe al republicans and trump supporters are racist nazis , what do you suppose their reasoning is? They certainly haven’t talked to 150 million people on the other side to come to such a conclusion.
In fact there’s quite a few here all who aren’t racist or a nazi as proof their claim is false.
Why would anyone align themselves with a political party (Republicans) who have openly white supremacist & nazi leadership/members/White House administration and then expect others to give them a pass for it?
trump’s campaign ran with a recycled phrase “America First,” which was from a white supremacist political movement in the 1930’s. It was a nod to white supremacists that he was their man to vote for. trump recently called himself a “nationalist,” in order to appeal to white supremacists before the midterm election.
They also used the phrases “he who holds the gold makes the rules,” and “to the victor go the spoils.” These are both direct quotes from a philosophy book called “Might is Right,” by Ragnar Redbeard - an anonymous Chicago area Doctor - 1897. The book is embraced by white supremacists and Satanists. In fact, the Satanic Bible was plagiarized from it. Anyways, I’ve read the book. It’s a fantastic philosophy from the Satanist perspective, but the white supremacy element to it is deplorable mind pollution. trump’s campaign used these phrases to speak to far right white supremacists who are familiar with this book.
Sebastian Gorka openly wore a nazi affiliated war medal at official events. trump just had the leader of a far right white supremacist group from Sweden at the White House. Arthur Jones, a holocaust denier and open nazi, was a republican candidate in Illinois. Charlottesville. And on and on and on.
The number of white supremacists and nazis that it’s okay to align yourself with is Zero, sly. trump/republican supporters are what’s called “guilty by association.” If they don’t want to be berated for associating with white supremacists and nazis, hey should opt to have nothing to do with them vs support the politicians and political party that’s embracing such deplorable people.
A well-stated, concise analysis. Especially as to the last sentence, it should be remembered that those who lie down with dogs should not be surprised when they get up with fleas.
Damn! I agree with you! You lie down with either of the two parties that have been bought and paid for by corporate America, you'll not only wake up with fleas, but also with a red, white, and blue dick crammed right up your ass!
Well, that's a rather more colorful allusion, but I won't argue with the essence of it, except to this point:
When the country is in existential danger from an incipient fascist takeover, you unite with whoever it is that will support opposing it. You may have to hold your nose (or swat fleas off yourself) while doing it, but you do it because in Ben Franklin's words (digression on this Thanksgiving Day: Ben Franklin thought the noble turkey, not the thieving eagle, should be our national bird, end digression):
"We must, indeed, all hang together or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately."
You're making the same mistake the communists did in the face of fascist Nazi Germany. At first, the communists actually worked with the nazis, then, when they saw themselves in actual, physical danger, they initiated a "United Front", composed of only communists and some left socialists in order to maintain the purity of their ideology. Only after this United Front failed to stop Hitler did they produce a "Popular Front" of everyone who was opposed to Hitler, even actual conservatives. But by then it was far too late. Hitler had consolidated his position.
In the present time, we are confronted with a racist, fascist Mango Mussolini. It's vital in such an instance that we unite in our fleas and defeat the would-be badmanorange Palpatine who threatens the United States of America.
I've been hearing the same, tired argument for years. Sorry, but I stopped playing the "lesser of two evils" game years ago. Why would I support the Dems, when they're corruption put Trump in the White House? It rather defies logic, don't you think?
I have voted for third parties, I have voted for write in candidates much to the consternation of local election workers who have to do extra work. My non team player stance angers people more than when I side with one of the teams. I have been widely viewed as a wasting my vote, a cop out, an enabler of the other evil side.
As anybody who reads my posts knows I genuinely fear an angry, elitist, censorious, “proven right” left takeover that I think would follow a Trump/conservative/libertarian repudiation.
Yet I will vote for whomever has the best chance to beat Trump and take almost any maggot in any oriface in order to not have a Trump second term. The mans personality is most unsuted for his job. It has not happened yet and I sincerly hope it never does but a person with his personality, his impulsiveness, his immaturaty having control of the nuclear codes IMHO is a potential existential threat to the world. Survival is more important then any other thing.
If hopefully my fears turn out to be paranoid delusions there are serious consequences of a Trump second term. His hiring by American voters did not result in America turning into anything resembling Nazi Germany, but it wounded checks and balances and hurt this countries reputation. In 2016 there was always there was the possibilty the office might tame him. In 2020 if we rehire him knowing what we know frankly it is “triggering” for me to even try and think of the consequences. It would mean the left have would have blown even more of a sure thing, that there is no credible opposition. I will grant you it might be neccessary short term pain for long term gain in order to form a third party. But I am not sure we can figurativly or literally survive the process. Even if we can survive I probably won’t be around to see the benifits.
I understand your sentiments and fears; I just disagree with the course of action. The people are going to have exact the change we need in government -- and swinging the pendulum back in forth from red to blue just ain't gonna save us. I watched in horror as the checks and balances you're talking about were eroded during Bush's reign, and then continued during Obama's presidency. The one good thing about having Trump as president could be exposing the true nature of the system which might actually wake more people up to pay attention to what's going on in congress, and start really making some serious noise.
Those erosions have been happening since FDR. They’ve been slowly giving the executive branch more and more illegal powers until one day they just dissolve the other two branches as useless.
23 Nov 2018, 1:25 pm
23 Nov 2018, 1:30 pm
23 Nov 2018, 2:16 pm
23 Nov 2018, 2:32 pm
sly279 wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
thoughtbeast wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
thoughtbeast wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
sly279 wrote:
envirozentinel wrote:
I don't think that's what they're saying.
It's the extremist element that is a problem.
It's the extremist element that is a problem.
They call trump supporters and republicans racist nazis for disagreeing with them on political issue, they seem to believe al republicans and trump supporters are racist nazis , what do you suppose their reasoning is? They certainly haven’t talked to 150 million people on the other side to come to such a conclusion.
In fact there’s quite a few here all who aren’t racist or a nazi as proof their claim is false.
Why would anyone align themselves with a political party (Republicans) who have openly white supremacist & nazi leadership/members/White House administration and then expect others to give them a pass for it?
trump’s campaign ran with a recycled phrase “America First,” which was from a white supremacist political movement in the 1930’s. It was a nod to white supremacists that he was their man to vote for. trump recently called himself a “nationalist,” in order to appeal to white supremacists before the midterm election.
They also used the phrases “he who holds the gold makes the rules,” and “to the victor go the spoils.” These are both direct quotes from a philosophy book called “Might is Right,” by Ragnar Redbeard - an anonymous Chicago area Doctor - 1897. The book is embraced by white supremacists and Satanists. In fact, the Satanic Bible was plagiarized from it. Anyways, I’ve read the book. It’s a fantastic philosophy from the Satanist perspective, but the white supremacy element to it is deplorable mind pollution. trump’s campaign used these phrases to speak to far right white supremacists who are familiar with this book.
Sebastian Gorka openly wore a nazi affiliated war medal at official events. trump just had the leader of a far right white supremacist group from Sweden at the White House. Arthur Jones, a holocaust denier and open nazi, was a republican candidate in Illinois. Charlottesville. And on and on and on.
The number of white supremacists and nazis that it’s okay to align yourself with is Zero, sly. trump/republican supporters are what’s called “guilty by association.” If they don’t want to be berated for associating with white supremacists and nazis, hey should opt to have nothing to do with them vs support the politicians and political party that’s embracing such deplorable people.
A well-stated, concise analysis. Especially as to the last sentence, it should be remembered that those who lie down with dogs should not be surprised when they get up with fleas.
Damn! I agree with you! You lie down with either of the two parties that have been bought and paid for by corporate America, you'll not only wake up with fleas, but also with a red, white, and blue dick crammed right up your ass!
Well, that's a rather more colorful allusion, but I won't argue with the essence of it, except to this point:
When the country is in existential danger from an incipient fascist takeover, you unite with whoever it is that will support opposing it. You may have to hold your nose (or swat fleas off yourself) while doing it, but you do it because in Ben Franklin's words (digression on this Thanksgiving Day: Ben Franklin thought the noble turkey, not the thieving eagle, should be our national bird, end digression):
"We must, indeed, all hang together or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately."
You're making the same mistake the communists did in the face of fascist Nazi Germany. At first, the communists actually worked with the nazis, then, when they saw themselves in actual, physical danger, they initiated a "United Front", composed of only communists and some left socialists in order to maintain the purity of their ideology. Only after this United Front failed to stop Hitler did they produce a "Popular Front" of everyone who was opposed to Hitler, even actual conservatives. But by then it was far too late. Hitler had consolidated his position.
In the present time, we are confronted with a racist, fascist Mango Mussolini. It's vital in such an instance that we unite in our fleas and defeat the would-be badmanorange Palpatine who threatens the United States of America.
I've been hearing the same, tired argument for years. Sorry, but I stopped playing the "lesser of two evils" game years ago. Why would I support the Dems, when they're corruption put Trump in the White House? It rather defies logic, don't you think?
I have voted for third parties, I have voted for write in candidates much to the consternation of local election workers who have to do extra work. My non team player stance angers people more than when I side with one of the teams. I have been widely viewed as a wasting my vote, a cop out, an enabler of the other evil side.
As anybody who reads my posts knows I genuinely fear an angry, elitist, censorious, “proven right” left takeover that I think would follow a Trump/conservative/libertarian repudiation.
Yet I will vote for whomever has the best chance to beat Trump and take almost any maggot in any oriface in order to not have a Trump second term. The mans personality is most unsuted for his job. It has not happened yet and I sincerly hope it never does but a person with his personality, his impulsiveness, his immaturaty having control of the nuclear codes IMHO is a potential existential threat to the world. Survival is more important then any other thing.
If hopefully my fears turn out to be paranoid delusions there are serious consequences of a Trump second term. His hiring by American voters did not result in America turning into anything resembling Nazi Germany, but it wounded checks and balances and hurt this countries reputation. In 2016 there was always there was the possibilty the office might tame him. In 2020 if we rehire him knowing what we know frankly it is “triggering” for me to even try and think of the consequences. It would mean the left have would have blown even more of a sure thing, that there is no credible opposition. I will grant you it might be neccessary short term pain for long term gain in order to form a third party. But I am not sure we can figurativly or literally survive the process. Even if we can survive I probably won’t be around to see the benifits.
I understand your sentiments and fears; I just disagree with the course of action. The people are going to have exact the change we need in government -- and swinging the pendulum back in forth from red to blue just ain't gonna save us. I watched in horror as the checks and balances you're talking about were eroded during Bush's reign, and then continued during Obama's presidency. The one good thing about having Trump as president could be exposing the true nature of the system which might actually wake more people up to pay attention to what's going on in congress, and start really making some serious noise.
Those erosions have been happening since FDR. They’ve been slowly giving the executive branch more and more illegal powers until one day they just dissolve the other two branches as useless.
That's true. Sometimes that power is used for good, other times for bad. But it's not just the increased power to the executive branch I'm talking about. I'm talking about the Patriot Act, the repeal of habeas corpus, and other dire legislation that erodes the check and balances, as well as our freedoms. The president and the congress have been complicit in this dire trend.
23 Nov 2018, 2:36 pm
JohnPowell wrote:
thoughtbeast wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
thoughtbeast wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
sly279 wrote:
envirozentinel wrote:
I don't think that's what they're saying.
It's the extremist element that is a problem.
It's the extremist element that is a problem.
They call trump supporters and republicans racist nazis for disagreeing with them on political issue, they seem to believe al republicans and trump supporters are racist nazis , what do you suppose their reasoning is? They certainly haven’t talked to 150 million people on the other side to come to such a conclusion.
In fact there’s quite a few here all who aren’t racist or a nazi as proof their claim is false.
Why would anyone align themselves with a political party (Republicans) who have openly white supremacist & nazi leadership/members/White House administration and then expect others to give them a pass for it?
trump’s campaign ran with a recycled phrase “America First,” which was from a white supremacist political movement in the 1930’s. It was a nod to white supremacists that he was their man to vote for. trump recently called himself a “nationalist,” in order to appeal to white supremacists before the midterm election.
They also used the phrases “he who holds the gold makes the rules,” and “to the victor go the spoils.” These are both direct quotes from a philosophy book called “Might is Right,” by Ragnar Redbeard - an anonymous Chicago area Doctor - 1897. The book is embraced by white supremacists and Satanists. In fact, the Satanic Bible was plagiarized from it. Anyways, I’ve read the book. It’s a fantastic philosophy from the Satanist perspective, but the white supremacy element to it is deplorable mind pollution. trump’s campaign used these phrases to speak to far right white supremacists who are familiar with this book.
Sebastian Gorka openly wore a nazi affiliated war medal at official events. trump just had the leader of a far right white supremacist group from Sweden at the White House. Arthur Jones, a holocaust denier and open nazi, was a republican candidate in Illinois. Charlottesville. And on and on and on.
The number of white supremacists and nazis that it’s okay to align yourself with is Zero, sly. trump/republican supporters are what’s called “guilty by association.” If they don’t want to be berated for associating with white supremacists and nazis, hey should opt to have nothing to do with them vs support the politicians and political party that’s embracing such deplorable people.
Why would anyone associate themselves with the Democrats who have voted for wars that have killed millions?
Why would anyone associate themselves with the Republicans who have voted for wars that have killed millions?
See how whataboutism works? It's futile and distracts from the issue of the moment.
Now: Trump is holding children in concentration camps.
Now: Trump is working to suppress the right to vote.
Now: Trump spreads fear.
Now: Trump spreads bigotry.
Now: Trump threatens victims of wildfires.
Now: Trump killed 3,000 Puerto Ricans.
And so many more that we could make a full litany of it.
Your obfuscatory posts try to inject whataboutism into everything. Actually, I agree with much of what you say and that the people who did those things deserve to be punished, here's an example of my own 1 (youtube), but your statements divert people off task, which is to post news about a particular current, ongoing injustice that might be stopped or at least ameliorated if enough people know about it. If for every wrong today you point out that similar wrongs occurred in the past, that certainly doesn't get the current criminal off the hook.
Two wrongs don't make a right, or haven't you heard that before? And, if anything, your statements constitute a further indictment of Trump because those events prove that he should know the wrongfulness of the things he does. Okay, so FDR imprisoned Japanese-Americans in concentration camps during World War II and that was intensely wrong. I doubt that George Takei is out there cheering Trump on now for imprisoning children (more than 13,000 at last count) in his concentration camps.
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So if Trump and his fellow goons deny medical assistance to Yemeni children, is that what you're going to do? Point to Madeleine Albright with whataboutism and say "Oh, badmanorange, but what about Albright and the Iraqi kids?" That's a formula for never learning or taking action about anything.
'Whataboutery' is just a term used by those who don't want to admit to their hypocrisy. I didn't see you screaming about Obama every day when he was carrying out a lot of the same policies Trump is. If anyone supports the current Democratic party they have no right at all to criticise Trump, NONE.
"If anyone supports the current Democratic party they have no right at all to criticise Trump, NONE."
Fortunately, in America, you're wrong.
Everyone has the right to criticize badmanorange.
For the time being.
I am copying from something Chomsky said. If you just focus on your opponents crimes and ignore your side's he says you don't have the right to speak.
Exactly. I just posted a response to another comment that roughly expressed what Chomsky said, before I noticed this post. I'm glad someone else gets it.
23 Nov 2018, 3:38 pm
