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24 Jan 2019, 6:57 pm

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My stances are simple
The government shouldn’t pay for any abortions.
I’d leave a woman if she got an abortion.
Men who didn’t want kids and accidentally got a woman pregnant shouldn’t have to pay a dime. Women who choose to keep the baby even though the man doesn’t want it should have to sign a form saying they choose to keep the kid and bare full responsibility for it.

You don’t think women should be forced to have a kid they don’t want well
Neither should men.

Abortion is murder but I’m willing to say others can do it if they pay for it or their paid for medical insurance pays for it.

I’m also ok with it in events of rape or medical need.


Whatever, American women won't stand for having their rights taken away. If you try to, you'll have a fight on your hands. Good luck with your stance, you're going to need it. Guys like you will not be remembered fondly by history, you'll be remembered as backwards and anti-woman because that's what it is to be against women having choices over what happens in their own bodies.


What amendment says “ the right of women to have the government pay for abortions shall not be infringed”?

Oh wait there isn’t one you say hmm
Then seems medical care is a privilege not a right.

All this shows is you are not for equality or you wouldn’t support forcing men to have kids they don’t want

I’m for women having the choice to pay to have it.
I’m for gay rights but not for government paying for gays to get married.
The ability to do something doesn’t mean the government needs to pay for it.
You can still get abortions if you can afford it.
I have the right to own guns but I have to buy them the government doesn’t pay for me to get one. If you can’t see the difference then we have nothing to talk about especially since you’re being quite rude to me

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24 Jan 2019, 6:58 pm

Nathan Phillips, Native American in standoff with teens, faces scrutiny of his military past

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Nathan Phillips, whose standoff with high-school students on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial last week captured viral attention online, has often discussed his military past.

The Native American activist, seen beating a drum Friday as some teens from Covington High School in Kentucky surrounded and mocked him, has referred to himself as a “Vietnam-times” veteran. He described in interviews getting spat on and called a baby killer by a “hippie girl,” and told the Detroit Free Press on Saturday that “I’m a Marine Corps veteran and I know what that mob mentality can be like.”

The incident also has led to scrutiny of Phillips’ service record after an organization representing him, the Lakota People’s Law Project, described him as a Vietnam veteran in a news release and numerous media reports identified him as one afterward.

In reality, Phillips served from June 1972 to May 1976 in the Marine Corps Reserve, a service spokeswoman, Yvonne Carlock, said Wednesday. He did not deploy and left the service as a private after disciplinary issues. From October 1972 to February 1973, he was classified as an anti-tank missileman, a kind of infantryman, Carlock said. He then became a refrigerator technician for the majority of his service.

Daniel Paul Nelson, a leader in the Lakota People’s Law Project, said in an interview that his group made the error and Phillips himself never told it that he served in Vietnam. The group, Nelson said, “trusted what we had seen” in previous stories about Phillips, some of which also referred to him erroneously as a Vietnam veteran.

Phillips, who turns 64 next month, is not old enough to have deployed to Vietnam as a Marine infantryman, prompting accusations that he was lying about his service.

The military will typically provide basic details about an individual’s military service within a day, but the situation with Phillips was complicated because he enlisted under another name associated with a family that raised him, Nelson said. He provided Phillips’ full Social Security number to The Washington Post with Phillips’ permission to help clear up the confusion.

This is all going into that Native American guy that everybody keeps labeling as a Vietnam vet, and he is not,” Shipley said in the video. “A lot of these news outlets are using that claim of ‘Vietnam vet’ to kind of beef that story up and make it look even worse.”

Shipley, who did not respond to an interview request Wednesday, noted that Phillips enlisted under another name and spent the majority of his time in the military as a refrigerator technician. He questioned how that squares with an April 2018 report by Vogue magazine in which Phillips is quoted saying that he was a “recon ranger,” a position that does not exist in the military.

“I have a relative here who said he’d lead the way and scout ahead for us,” Phillips said in the story, which describes a protest at the Standing Rock Sioux Reservation in North Dakota. “You know, I’m from Vietnam times. I’m what they call a recon ranger. That was my role. So I thank you for taking that point position for me.”

Nelson said that Phillips’ comments at Standing Rock were taken out of context, and that Phillips actually was referring to the work they were doing at the time on the reservation.

In other interviews, Phillips has consistently described being a veteran of “Vietnam times.”

In 2000, he told The Washington Post that he was a patriot who had served as “a Marine Corps infantryman” in the 1970s. He did not claim to have served in Vietnam and did not mention leaving the infantry after a few months to become a refrigerator technician.

In 2015, he described himself in a video interview with MLive as “a Vietnam veteran times,” and stated that he served from 1972 to 1976.


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24 Jan 2019, 7:04 pm

A simple mistake, exaggerated for the purposes of character assassination. As if he doesn't deserve respect just for being a human being.



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24 Jan 2019, 7:29 pm

Side convo: Why would you oppose tax dollars paying for abortions? You’d rather spend 18+ years worth of welfare payments for a single mom and the kid she had when she was 15 instead?

Single payer socialized medicine > American nonsense that costs more money and delivers worse healthcare.


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24 Jan 2019, 9:04 pm

sly279 wrote:
Men who didn’t want kids and accidentally got a woman pregnant shouldn’t have to pay a dime.

Why should pregnancy be so different? We don't say that people who don't want to kill and do it accidentally, should face no consequences, at least not if the "accident" was caused by them being reckless. A man can only get a woman pregnant by being irresponsible. For the extended argument, read this: https://medium.com/s/can-we-talk/men-cause-100-of-unwanted-pregnancies-eb0e8288a7e5. The most important parts are these:
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If you want to prevent abortion, you need to prevent unwanted pregnancies. Men seem unable (or unwilling) to admit that they cause 100% of them.

I realize that’s a bold statement. You’re likely thinking, “Wait. It takes two to tango!” While I fully agree with you in the case of intentional pregnancies, I argue that all unwanted pregnancies are caused by the irresponsible ejaculations of men. All of them.

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Pregnancies happen when men have an orgasm. Unwanted pregnancies happen when men orgasm irresponsibly.

A woman can be the sluttiest slut in the entire world, she can love having orgasms all day and all night long, and she will never find herself with an unwanted pregnancy unless a man shows up and ejaculates irresponsibly. Though our society tends to villainize female pleasure, women’s enjoyment of sex does not equal unwanted pregnancy and abortion. Men’s enjoyment of sex and irresponsible ejaculations do.

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If you actually care about reducing or eliminating the number of abortions in our country, simply hold men accountable for their actions.

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Here’s another prevention idea: All males in the U.S. could get a vasectomy when they are ready to be sexually active. Vasectomies are very safe, highly reversible, and about as invasive as a woman getting an IUD implanted.

If you have penetrative sex without a vasectomy, you accept the failure rate of other contraceptive methods, and you are responsible for the consequences. Just as you are responsible if you fire a gun at a target you can't see and hit a hiker, or if you kill someone by drunk driving. You may not want the consequences, but none of this follows best practice preventing them, and you would be responsible for that.

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Anti abortion isn’t anti women.

If it places all the burden for men's irresponsibility on women, it does look like it. Gabrielle Blair offers a solution that places responsibility where it belongs. The Covington students don't.



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24 Jan 2019, 9:40 pm

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It seems to many the only thing that's relevant is they were privileged white christians wearing maga hats ie the arch enemy.


A lot is relevant.. including the kid's interview that plays at this link:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/22/politics ... index.html

IMO, his tone, facial expressions, and body language don't match his words. He doesn't seem to be being truthful or genuine.


What facial expressions ? There were none , he didn't even blink. Either I can't read facial expressions ( possible ) or you are seeing things that are not there. I didn't see any body language either ( slight head nodding ? ). Yeah he had a monotonous tone though ( so do I :roll: )

My GF said he appeared coached which is totally understandable in this situation.

wha???? you DON'T see that look of utter condescension on that punk's face? that SNEER? how could anybody NOT see those things?



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24 Jan 2019, 9:43 pm

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Side convo: Why would you oppose tax dollars paying for abortions? You’d rather spend 18+ years worth of welfare payements for a single mom and the kid she had when she was 15 instead?

the MAGAs don't want that either, they favor chastity belts.

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Single payer socialized medicine > American nonsense that costs more money and delivers worse healthcare.

as long as they have their own ridiculously expensive [but covered by their ritzy employers] Cadillac insurance, they don't give a damn about anything else, it's just all about THEM and THEM ALONE.



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24 Jan 2019, 9:53 pm

auntblabby wrote:
SaveFerris wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
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It seems to many the only thing that's relevant is they were privileged white christians wearing maga hats ie the arch enemy.


A lot is relevant.. including the kid's interview that plays at this link:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/22/politics ... index.html

IMO, his tone, facial expressions, and body language don't match his words. He doesn't seem to be being truthful or genuine.


What facial expressions ? There were none , he didn't even blink. Either I can't read facial expressions ( possible ) or you are seeing things that are not there. I didn't see any body language either ( slight head nodding ? ). Yeah he had a monotonous tone though ( so do I :roll: )

My GF said he appeared coached which is totally understandable in this situation.

wha???? you DON'T see that look of utter condescension on that punk's face? that SNEER? how could anybody NOT see those things?


That’s in the original video, which is what I think you’re referencing. We’re talking about the interview, where IMO, he looks & sounds very insincere.


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24 Jan 2019, 9:56 pm

The mountain out of a molehill just keeps getting taller. People are just repeating themselves because there was never much to talk about in the first place.



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24 Jan 2019, 9:57 pm

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The mountain out of a molehill just keeps getting taller. People are just repeating themselves because there was never much to talk about in the first place.


Said from your place of white privilege in America.


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24 Jan 2019, 9:58 pm

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That’s in the original video, which is what I think you’re referencing. We’re talking about the interview, where IMO, he looks & sounds very insincere.

oops :oops: he looks very coached in his one-on-one, his body language is restricted, he was giving nothing away, it seems like he was told to above all, avoid that insulting sneer, that he was told to be just an innocent blank slate. he could effectively lie without giving the game away. I see him, and see a future Cavanaugh clone [but nowhere near as smart as he thinks he is].



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24 Jan 2019, 10:13 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
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The mountain out of a molehill just keeps getting taller. People are just repeating themselves because there was never much to talk about in the first place.


Said from your place of white privilege in America.


Like I said, people are just repeating themselves.



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24 Jan 2019, 11:17 pm

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wearing a campaign hat, 2 yrs after the fact of campaign, which is never done.


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24 Jan 2019, 11:40 pm

SaveFerris wrote:
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wearing a campaign hat, 2 yrs after the fact of campaign, which is never done.


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One person, I will stand corrected since using the term never. This isn't common and it's because the latter is clearly agitprop but the public will continue to find corrective means


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24 Jan 2019, 11:56 pm

I've seen plenty of people wearing Obama hope and yes we can etc shirts.



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25 Jan 2019, 12:10 am

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I've seen plenty of people wearing Obama hope and yes we can etc shirts.


I'm glad they still wear them.

Apples to oranges compared to maga hats, though, as they represent vastly different things.


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