[IMPORTANT] Hamas launches foot assault against settlements.
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That said, I thought that the Stern Gang was gone. Are they still committing acts of terrorism against Britain?
Last I checked the modern Israeli far-right are directly descended from the Stern Gang and Irgun.
Terrorism is merely a tactic. Terrorism is a perfectly valid tactic when defending one's homeland against invaders who intend on exterminating the locals.
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That said, I thought that the Stern Gang was gone. Are they still committing acts of terrorism against Britain?
Last I checked the modern Israeli far-right are directly descended from the Stern Gang and Irgun.
Terrorism is merely a tactic. Terrorism is a perfectly valid tactic when defending one's homeland against invaders who intend on exterminating the locals.
Terrorism is never justified. HAMAS and their torture, rape, and murder of women need to be eliminated. If they ever had any justification for their existence, they have lost it. They need to be eliminated from this planet.
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Eliminating Hamas without addressing the root cause will only result in another Hamas-like entity taking their place.
The terrorists in Israel need to be eliminated if you'd like to eliminate the root cause of Palestinian terrorist groups forming.
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The terrorists in Israel need to be eliminated if you'd like to eliminate the root cause of Palestinian terrorist groups forming.
Expect those terrorist groups to be smashed by Israel in their legitimate self defense.
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We can certainly expect some people to pretend Israeli terrorism against the Palestinian people is legitimate self-defence, no matter how foolish they appear when doing so.
Resistance to Israeli aggression will continue so long as Israeli aggression continues.
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yikes,,I hate to be the bearer of bad news but both the extreme bad, and even the good,are part of a larger learning experience...regardless of whether wanted or not ....
And btw nobody likes the effects of learning experience....almost always unwanted rarely positive.. and can be hard to recover from ,but if possible, changing the circumstances about how you veiw those experiences.??
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That said, I thought that the Stern Gang was gone. Are they still committing acts of terrorism against Britain?
Last I checked the modern Israeli far-right are directly descended from the Stern Gang and Irgun.
Terrorism is merely a tactic. Terrorism is a perfectly valid tactic when defending one's homeland against invaders who intend on exterminating the locals.
Terrorism is never justified. HAMAS and their torture, rape, and murder of women need to be eliminated. If they ever had any justification for their existence, they have lost it. They need to be eliminated from this planet.
Seemingly this could also said of the Israeli forces...in this genocide. As everyone seems to be calling everyone terrorists these days, based on relations with any political situation....?
(One persons Freedom Fighters are another groups Terrorist.'
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I’ve not seen everyone call everyone a terrorist. When a group kills civilians on a large scale, targets media and healthcare workers, breaks international law by using chemical weapons and booby traps, and engages in virtually the same behavior as other terrorist groups, calling it terrorism seems like calling a spade a spade.
If Israel used vastly different tactics, I don’t think people would be calling it terrorism. As it stands, I think it’s quite problematic to reserve the word for Islamic extremist groups only.
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It's a telling admission when a person insists on defining all violence from one side as terrorism, even when it targets legitimate military forces and all violence from the other side as legitimate, even when it's disproportionate, wanton collective punishment of civilians.
How can such opinions be treated as anything but cheerleading for genocidal ghouls?
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Seemingly this could also said of the Israeli forces...in this genocide. As everyone seems to be calling everyone terrorists these days, based on relations with any political situation....?
(One persons Freedom Fighters are another groups Terrorist.'
Claims of Israel committing genocide in going after HAMAS are completely ignorant. They are doing more than any other army in history to avoid civilian casualties.
Here is an interesting article about the steps Israel has taken to avoid civilian casualties from https://www.newsweek.com/israel-implemented-more-measures-prevent-civilian-casualties-any-other-nation-history-opinion-1865613:
In fact, as someone who has served two tours in Iraq and studied urban warfare for over a decade, Israel has taken precautionary measures even the United States did not do during its recent wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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First is the use of precision guided munitions (PGMs). ...
... The Israeli Defense Force has used many types of PGMs to avoid civilian harm, including the use of munitions like small diameter bombs (SDBs), as well as technologies and tactics that increase the accuracy of non-PGMs. Israel has also employed a tactic when a military has air supremacy called dive bombing, as well as gathering pre-strike intelligence on the presence of civilians from satellite imagery, scans of cell phone presence, and other target observation techniques. All of this is to do more pinpoint targeted to avoid civilian deaths. In other words, the simplistic notion that a military must use more PGMs versus non-PGMs in a war is false.
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Third, one of the best ways to prevent civilian casualties in urban warfare is to provide warning and evacuate urban areas before the full combined air and ground attack commences. ...
By contrast, Israel provided days and then weeks of warnings, as well as time for civilians to evacuate multiple cities in northern Gaza before starting the main air-ground attack of urban areas. The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) employed their practice of calling and texting ahead of an air strike as well as roof-knocking, where they drop small munitions on the roof of a building notifying everyone to evacuate the building before a strike.
No military has ever implemented any of these practices in war before.
The IDF has also air-dropped flyers to give civilians instructions on when and how to evacuate, including with safe corridors ...
Israel's use of real phone calls to civilians in combat areas (19,734), SMS texts (64,399) and pre-recorded calls (almost 6 million) to provide instructions on evacuations is also unprecedented.
The IDF also conducted daily four-hour pauses over multiple consecutive days of the war to allow civilians to leave active combat areas. While pauses for civilian evacuations after a war or battle has started is not completely new, the frequency and predictability of these in Gaza have been historic.
Another historical first in war measures to prevent civilian causalities was Israel's distribution of IDF military maps and urban warfare graphics to assist civilians with day to day evacuations and alerting them to where the IDF will be operating. No military in history has ever done this.
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The reality is that when it comes to avoiding civilian harm, there is no modern comparison to Israel's war against Hamas.
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How can such opinions be treated as anything but cheerleading for genocidal ghouls?
Israel is trying hard to avoid civilian casualties. More than just about any other country in history. They are trying to stop the terrorists without killing civilians, but some collateral deaths are unavoidable in their situation.
Has HAMAS ever made any effort to avoid civilian casualties? It seems to me that HAMAS is intentionally targeting civilians. That is clearly evidenced by their attack on civilians on October 7, 1923 in which they were raping, torturing, and murdering women and children.
Sure, lots of people will brand what they don't like as terrorism. Terrorism is the violent targeting of civilians to instill a sense of fear in them in order to achieve their political agenda. That describes HAMAS actions. They are clearly terrorists.
Israel, on the other hand, is working hard to avoid killing civilians. They are targeting terrorists and only terrorists. They are behaving very differently in this from terrorists.
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That article from Newsweek was published almost a year ago.
Newsweek tends to lean to the right and doesn’t always publish entirely factual information, either. In addition to being old, it seems like Newsweek left a lot of relevant information out of their article - like the use of white phosphorous and Israel’s targeting of healthcare and the media which, in terms of their behavior from a historical standpoint, is nothing new.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/newsweek/
by the way suggest you read some of the above postings.from the opening of this thread.
Israel has falken into a trap along wither supports..
From BU Today ,an editorial:
Governments continue to fall for similar traps. Academics often compare terrorist organizations to a hydra, the serpent from Greek mythology. Each time the state tries to cut off the hydra’s head, two more heads grow back in its place. More than 20 years ago, Ismail Abu Shanab, a founder and high-ranking member of Hamas, told one of us, Jessica Stern, that the “genius” of the terrorist fight against Israel is that it feeds off of Israel’s “atrocities.” If Israel ramps up its fight against Hamas, it will only energize Hamas and other Palestinian terrorist groups and risk drawing Hezbollah, the Lebanese militant group, or even Iran into the conflict.
SURPRISE.
And btw regarding Palestinians veiws of Israel , from another source on the Brave browser:
Palestinian perspectives on Israelis vary widely, but some Palestinians do consider Israelis as terrorists. This view is influenced by the ongoing conflict and the perceived injustices faced by Palestinians. For instance, the article “The truth of the Palestinian cause” from The Jewish Chronicle discusses how Palestinians and their supporters often equate Israeli actions with those of terrorists, accusing Israel of committing acts that are seen as war crimes or crimes against humanity. This perception is fueled by the belief that Israel’s actions, such as attacks on hospitals and displacement shelters, are unjust and inhumane.
my opinion: Genocide is never justified..........but on the other hand the USA has elected a repeated felony convicted person for President ..who coulda figured that one ..?
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Newsweek tends to lean to the right and doesn’t always publish entirely factual information, either. In addition to being old, it seems like Newsweek left a lot of relevant information out of their article - like the use of white phosphorous and Israel’s targeting of healthcare and the media which, in terms of their behavior from a historical standpoint, is nothing new.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/newsweek/
What makes you think that was from a year ago? It was a week ago. January 31, 2024.
They might be slightly right. That does not mean that they were reporting falsehoods.
The current date is January 6, 2025, so it was written a little over 11 months ago.
As I said, they left relevant information out of their article, including acts of terrorism committed by the IDF, and of course, much has happened over the past 11+ months which undermines their overall premise.
The detailed analysis of violations covers the six-month period from November 2023 to April 2024, and broadly examines the killing of civilians and breaches of international law that in many instances could amount to war crimes.
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The UN Human Rights Office has been verifying the personal details of those killed in Gaza by strikes, shelling and other conduct of hostilities. Of those fatalities, it has so far found close to 70 per cent to be children and women, indicating a systematic violation of the fundamental principles of international humanitarian law, including distinction and proportionality.
The continuation of these attacks, killing evenly across the population, “demonstrates an apparent indifference to the death of civilians and the impact of the means and methods of warfare selected”, the report states.
The most represented of verified fatalities are children. The three categories of age most represented were children aged from 5 to 9 years old, children from 10 to 14 years old, and babies and children from 0 to 4 years old.
Of the verified fatalities, about 80 per cent were killed in residential buildings or similar housing, out of which 44 per cent were children and 26 per cent were women.
Monitoring by the UN Human Rights Office indicates that the high number of fatalities per attack was principally due to the Israeli Defense Forces’ use of weapons with wide area effects in densely populated areas
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The report also raises concerns with respect to forcible transfer, attacks on hospitals, in apparent systematic fashion, and journalists. It also points to the reported use of white phosphorus munitions.
“Our monitoring indicates that this unprecedented level of killing, and injury of civilians is a direct consequence of the failure to comply with fundamental principles of international humanitarian law – namely the principles of distinction, proportionality and precautions in attack,” Türk said. “Tragically, these documented patterns of violations continue unabated, over one year after the start of the war.”
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases ... ity-crimes
Here’s an article I linked on their use of white phosphorus in the early days of the war in case you didn’t see it:
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/10/12/isr ... za-lebanon
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