23 Nov 2018, 3:42 pm
VegetableMan wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
thoughtbeast wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
thoughtbeast wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
sly279 wrote:
envirozentinel wrote:
I don't think that's what they're saying.
It's the extremist element that is a problem.
It's the extremist element that is a problem.
They call trump supporters and republicans racist nazis for disagreeing with them on political issue, they seem to believe al republicans and trump supporters are racist nazis , what do you suppose their reasoning is? They certainly haven’t talked to 150 million people on the other side to come to such a conclusion.
In fact there’s quite a few here all who aren’t racist or a nazi as proof their claim is false.
Why would anyone align themselves with a political party (Republicans) who have openly white supremacist & nazi leadership/members/White House administration and then expect others to give them a pass for it?
trump’s campaign ran with a recycled phrase “America First,” which was from a white supremacist political movement in the 1930’s. It was a nod to white supremacists that he was their man to vote for. trump recently called himself a “nationalist,” in order to appeal to white supremacists before the midterm election.
They also used the phrases “he who holds the gold makes the rules,” and “to the victor go the spoils.” These are both direct quotes from a philosophy book called “Might is Right,” by Ragnar Redbeard - an anonymous Chicago area Doctor - 1897. The book is embraced by white supremacists and Satanists. In fact, the Satanic Bible was plagiarized from it. Anyways, I’ve read the book. It’s a fantastic philosophy from the Satanist perspective, but the white supremacy element to it is deplorable mind pollution. trump’s campaign used these phrases to speak to far right white supremacists who are familiar with this book.
Sebastian Gorka openly wore a nazi affiliated war medal at official events. trump just had the leader of a far right white supremacist group from Sweden at the White House. Arthur Jones, a holocaust denier and open nazi, was a republican candidate in Illinois. Charlottesville. And on and on and on.
The number of white supremacists and nazis that it’s okay to align yourself with is Zero, sly. trump/republican supporters are what’s called “guilty by association.” If they don’t want to be berated for associating with white supremacists and nazis, hey should opt to have nothing to do with them vs support the politicians and political party that’s embracing such deplorable people.
Why would anyone associate themselves with the Democrats who have voted for wars that have killed millions?
Why would anyone associate themselves with the Republicans who have voted for wars that have killed millions?
See how whataboutism works? It's futile and distracts from the issue of the moment.
Now: Trump is holding children in concentration camps.
Now: Trump is working to suppress the right to vote.
Now: Trump spreads fear.
Now: Trump spreads bigotry.
Now: Trump threatens victims of wildfires.
Now: Trump killed 3,000 Puerto Ricans.
And so many more that we could make a full litany of it.
Your obfuscatory posts try to inject whataboutism into everything. Actually, I agree with much of what you say and that the people who did those things deserve to be punished, here's an example of my own 1 (youtube), but your statements divert people off task, which is to post news about a particular current, ongoing injustice that might be stopped or at least ameliorated if enough people know about it. If for every wrong today you point out that similar wrongs occurred in the past, that certainly doesn't get the current criminal off the hook.
Two wrongs don't make a right, or haven't you heard that before? And, if anything, your statements constitute a further indictment of Trump because those events prove that he should know the wrongfulness of the things he does. Okay, so FDR imprisoned Japanese-Americans in concentration camps during World War II and that was intensely wrong. I doubt that George Takei is out there cheering Trump on now for imprisoning children (more than 13,000 at last count) in his concentration camps.
1 (youtube):
So if Trump and his fellow goons deny medical assistance to Yemeni children, is that what you're going to do? Point to Madeleine Albright with whataboutism and say "Oh, badmanorange, but what about Albright and the Iraqi kids?" That's a formula for never learning or taking action about anything.
'Whataboutery' is just a term used by those who don't want to admit to their hypocrisy. I didn't see you screaming about Obama every day when he was carrying out a lot of the same policies Trump is. If anyone supports the current Democratic party they have no right at all to criticise Trump, NONE.
"If anyone supports the current Democratic party they have no right at all to criticise Trump, NONE."
Fortunately, in America, you're wrong.
Everyone has the right to criticize badmanorange.
For the time being.
I am copying from something Chomsky said. If you just focus on your opponents crimes and ignore your side's he says you don't have the right to speak.
Exactly. I just posted a response to another comment that roughly expressed what Chomsky said, before I noticed this post. I'm glad someone else gets it.
Thanks yeah. If everyone stopped justifying their side's crimes we could really change things. Also criticising Trump or the other side when they do something positive also is disgraceful. The North Korea situation was a great example.
23 Nov 2018, 8:06 pm
23 Nov 2018, 8:08 pm
