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the media once it knew the truth backed that the Iraq war was on false pretenses.now the media knows about reagan's invovement in iran contra.I dont recall any lies before the first gulf war and I am not familiar with indonesia.

those are vast govermental conspiracies not a defeated old man who couldn't face his future who commited suicide

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John - The people who are unable to see the big picture of the war for profit machine will never understand.
Don't waste your time. These are people who need to keep a narrow view of the world in order to avoid deep depression. It's their self-defense mechanism. It's this nature that allows such horror to occur, but it sadly will never change. They are an overwhelming majority of the population. I thought this site would have less of that due to the normal traits of ASD but I was surprised that it hasn't been the case.
They can't understand how the propaganda machine works and as such they will repeatedly be unable to have an open mind to the reality of the world.

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Maybe you're right, Roboto.....maybe you're right.....

I wasn't talking about anything else.....but the fact that no one was actually arrested on the GEORGE WASHINGTON BRIDGE right after 9/11. Nothing else.

I'm not debunking a conspiracy, or anything like that. I don't really get deeply into this stuff.

Who knows? Maybe I should? Maybe you might even be right.

Wars happen because people can't get along with each other and resolve those differences peacfully.Not because there is a for profit war machine.

I am jealous that you can maintain that reality but to think war with Iraq was about Americans and Iraq not getting along is pretty far-fetched. It must be really nice in that state of mind to have so much trust in the honesty and decency of your fellow humans...

On the bridge vs. the entrance ramp to the bridge from the NJ tpke is splitting hairs.

I have faith in the essential honesty and decency of humans I come in contact with. I don't believe every person is a "conspiracy waiting to happen."

The US, probably, wanted to get at Iraq for its oil. And a variety of other reasons, some of which were not purely altruistic.

There is some evidence that poison gas was used on the Kurds by the Iraqis.

The US has no stake in Iraq. It's not a colony. The US does not own Iraq's oil resources. The country of Iraq still owns those resources. They are however playing ball and trading their oil with US dollars which is in contrast to Saddam's decision to abandon the US dollar for their oil trade. Our relationship with Iraq isn't much different from the post 1953 relationship with Iran where US CIA helped overthrow a democratically elected president in order to install a leader who would play ball.

If we're going to use the world police excuse for ending the lives of our soldiers and trillions of dollars of war debt, then Saudi Arabia would be a target above them all. Iraq had far more freedom (religious and sex) during the Saddam years than currently exists.

The controllers of the currency are the controllers of the military and the idea of the US as an autonomous country is a myth. The currency is controlled by the Federal Reserve which operates independently of the US government and is not able to be audited. Where John is wrong at his pointing the finger at Israel as a culprit is that he still believes in countries. There really aren't. Countries are illusions and the CIA, Mossad and other secretive organizations may get their orders from their country, but those country leaders are getting orders from the most powerful people on the planet who hide in the shadows. Countries and their leaders are just the marketing team of the global elite who are running a seriously effective war for profit scheme and funneling all the money and power to themselves. JFK explained this in a speech and it got him killed. He was our last honest president.

If you can sit back and take that hypothesis in the world starts to make a whole lot more sense.

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I'm talking about United States business greed.....not the fact that the US wants to play "world policeman."

KK is permitted his opinion just as you are.

who the feck wants an echo chamber?

Differing opinions of events are good and healthy.

Expressing differing opinions, without fear of retribution, is what a Democracy is all about.

I never said anything about trusting in the honesty and decency of my fellow man,I just said wars dont happen because of a secret conspiracy,they happen because individual world leaders have bad intentions

Of course, there are geopolitical implications in all this, too.

The US wants a sort of hegemony over the Middle East and areas adjacent to it. That's another reason why it always has its tootsies in their business.

Right... "Weapons of Mass Destruction" wasn't a marketing ploy to get the citizens to support war against Iraq. There weren't any secrets at all. Just "ooops, we were actually wrong on that whole weapons of mass destruction thing..." No secrets happening in government at all... It's all open and transparent...

LOL....it's obvious that we have derailed this thread.

Shall we return to Jeffrey Epstein and his suicide?