Anyone else sick and tired of being forced to where a mask?

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The right to be able to express oneself, presumably without being harangued .
Isn't that the spirit of the concept of freedom of speech?
"I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend to the death your right to say it."

Let me just quickly say that *I* wouldn't fight to the death for that principle, but I am happy for other to die for that sentiment.

This discussion should be moved to the wrongplanet.net section.

Yeah. Part of it where Magz and tempus fugit are arguing back and forth about rules and two users.

You're right, give me a sec.
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That's actually in agreement to what I know.

When it comes to the "conspiracy theory" it doesn't end with mandatory mask wearing. There's also mandatory quarantines. And mandatory business shutdowns. And mandatory vaccine taking. Of a rushed vaccine. All over a virus strain that might have been created in a Chinese laboratory.

Now I personally don't think there's any plot going on. But I can understand why people would think there is. I can understand why they would be suspicious, without thinking they're crazy. I'm willing to consider there's a lot of layers to this situation. And that it might get even more complicated than it already is.

What I don't get is those who's reaction seems to be, no no no this is all perfectly normal and not to be questioned. Only psycho anti-science nutjobs would question any of this.

Now while we're not at a stage where people are being forced to wear masks or are being forced to take the vaccine etc, how far away are we from that? Is it wrong to ponder such things? Or should any postulating be immediately shot down?

I bet whoever attacks me over this post, didn't get past reading the first sentence and assumed the rest. It'll be entertaining to see how far off base they are.

In a lot of places, we are that stage.
Facing Your Face Mask Duties – A List of Statewide Orders


Can the government legally force you to wear a mask?

We get places here in Oregon with signs saying if you can't wear a mask, to call this number or get an employee to get your stuff for you and pay outside with your phone app or come in at special hours to get your stuff.

Also if you can't wear a mask, you simply stay home and don't go out and you do take out, order from home and stuff. You also order online and pick your groceries up at the store and have an employee bring them out to you when you get there.

There are ways around it if you are not able to wear a mask and we expect you to do these other things that accommodate you.

Of course when I said "we're" I was thinking of my neck of the woods. It's easy to forget to think of this on global terms. And of course when one remembers to take virtually every country on earth into consideration, the chances of a plot diminish quite a bit. That would require an awful lot of conference calling between nations.

Aren't there a whole bunch of people who don't have access to those resources?

Dear Tempus Fugit, your new picture is beautiful!
And, your first paragraph is very well-said.
2days ago, on the news, a doctor from Wuhan has been sentenced to prison for saying that the Wuhan lab is the source of the pandemic.
That being said, my neck of the woods just had the lockdown extended.
Our ICU beds are at 0% available.
And when I walk down the street, I am STILL passing people with no masks.

All of this nonsense is nonsense. Everything being asked of people are temporary pandemic mitigation measures to slow the spread, respect frontline healthcare workers, the elderly & immunocompromised etc. Literally every pandemic has been temporary - either solved by science or the virus mutating to become benign. The only difference this time is that Alex Jones & “Plandemic,” types can make a whole lot of money publishing click bait for gullible people.

No. Literally anyone can “come in during the special hours,” to get their stuff.

And even homeless people & drug addicts have smartphones. There’s inexpensive data plans and free wifi in many areas of most cities.

There ARE a bunch of people who don’t have access to a home because they’re homeless, but they’ve still managed to survive via a number of different ways to get food/soap/medicine/masks etc. Things may be a bit more difficult for them right now, but people are surviving still.

Absolutely right!
There are signs outside of EVERY business, clarifying the rules, and delivery services are everywhere!
Most people are taking the danger seriously and educating themselves.
The conspiracy believers should just take a deep breath and ask themselves ‘what if it is real?’
Then realize the threat they are to their loved ones.
By refusing to protect themselves, they can bring it home to those who love and trust them.

I can understand why people believe absurd conspiracy lies, too. Usually all it takes is some scientific illiteracy, some ignorance, and a dash of dunning-kruger. A little bit of personal bias doesn't hurt. Many things seem "plausible" when there are gaps in one's understanding of things.

Just because I can understand it does not mean I am required to indulge or validate it. It's not hard to understand that ignorant people believe ignorant things because they're ignorant - not as an insult, but in the most literal definition of the word - "lacking knowledge or information". If someone is ignorant, the solution isn't to indulge, and therefore enable, their ignorance - it's to educate them. If someone is trying to solve a math problem, but doing it wrong, you're not helping them by indulging their mistake and not treating it, or correcting it, as a mistake - you correct the mistake, so they can solve the problem.

You have the right to your opinion. You even have the right to be wrong. You do not have the right to have your wrong thinking indulged and entertained by others. Others are not required to agree with you.

Other than being a fine all-or-nothing fallacy, where either ALL absurd baloney MUST be treated as equally valid, no matter how bananas it is, or NOTHING can be discussed and everyone must stick to the script, as though there isn't a MASSIVE middle ground between those two extremes, your not really saying anything terribly additive or meaningful, besides sharing your opinion.

We are here to share our opinions and to be friends and to support each other.
And as a friend, what I can do is to say whether or not someone here who does not believe we are experiencing a disease as dangerous as we are being told is to ask them please take the precautions, protect yourself, protect your families, follow the rules, PLEASE,I care about you.