Emergence of a Deadly Coronavirus

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Just ask Google or the NSA. Both do track where people are without telling them.

As someone at risk, I would rather die than see the country go down the tubes and my loved ones suffer. I bet plenty of us would sign a declaration saying so. 15 days.

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To me it is about being a bit objective. If there was some new virus in the US right now that had 35 million cases and 56 thousand deaths, like last year's flu, there would be an utter pandemonium of panic and hysteria over it.

Massachusetts Governor Charlie Baker has closed all non essential businesses.

Grocery stores, pharmacy and gas stations may stay open.

Since the majority of the youth are practically immune, why not put them to work as volunteers? If they're not in school, college, or working... encourage them to join a volunteer program in their city! Trump should create a website where youths can sign-up to become volunteers at the cities that are being hit the hardest. Hospital volunteers, delivery drivers, cleaning services, and more. The volunteers should be paid as incentive. It's a win-win situation... young people get money, the older generations get assistance, the cities recover faster, and soon enough the country is back to normal again.

https://www.reddit.com/r/toronto/commen ... es_a_plea/

Very well spoken insight from an emergency doctor in Toronto. ^

With Covid-19, asymptomatic transmission is occurring, and there have been reported cases of community transmission almost everywhere in the world now. As far as I know, there is no testing being conducted in either Europe, UK, America, Canada, or most of the west, without multiple serious symptoms (or serious cash, apparently) being present.

This inevitably adds up to a current situation where there are far more people carrying and transmitting the disease around the world than official numbers are capable of accurately relaying to the public. You may not feel ill, but you could still transmit this virus to people who haven't the capacity to fight it.

It may seem frightening, but with this knowledge in mind, we all should be acting in our day-to-day lives with the mindset that we have, or will get, Covid-19. Worse still, that our loved ones will.

Please be honest with yourselves and each other about the gravity of the current risks we are all currently facing as a community, country, and planet. The time for minimisation, for denial, and for safeguarding our feelings and our modern comforts has clearly long passed, and the time to make difficult choices and take action is today - it's the only way we will get everything back to normal in the future.

Please stay home, take ALL of the recommended precautions that you possibly can, and do your part in educating and holding each other accountable, so you will literally be saving lives. You will never know how many lives you save.

I don't want to lose anybody that I know or love because of preventable behaviours - Do you?

I may sound like an alarmist - or like I am asking a lot - but just as the doctor says, nothing would make me happier than to be dead wrong about how serious I think this is.

If the world shuts down for several months it will become a living hell and take years to recover from, if it ever recovers at all. Billions will suffer greatly, including our loved ones.

I know Ez.

It's awful no matter how you look at it.

I wish the whole damned world could just stay put for 2-3 weeks and it would go away. It seems like a half-hearted attempt is counterproductive and destroying everything: our health as well as the economy.

We are staying put for two weeks. And two weeks is enough.

I am not going to catch the virus from anyone because I am in isolation.

Most of us who are at risk are retired and or housebound. Us staying put for a month or more is no real sacrifice. I

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I know you're isolated and I'm glad you are being safe. My loved ones are very compromised as well.

It's the idiots who go out defying rules right now, who are going to collapse the world economy.

The economy is going to collapse by everything staying shut down too long. That is guaranteed.

For 95% of those who are not at risk, getting it will be like having flu-like symptoms and then they will recover, just like Tom Hanks is recovering. That and the 5% at risk staying in isolation is not going to collapse the economy.

Hospitals are not going to become overrun if those who are at risk stay in isolation. Those who do not are really the ones who are idiots.

Our government recruits millions of young people to the military, recruits them to promote politicians before elections... why not put that same effort into recruiting them for temporary, paid volunteer jobs to assist the hospitals, doctors, and needy populations in the cities that are being hit the hardest?

That's true capitalist attitude! The economy over safety of workers, lock down the disposable 5% and if someone had no idea they was at risk - their bad. The economy needs sacrifices.

I'm really worried for the traditionally capitalist societes.

So millions of workers no longer being workers but unemployed and bankrupt is going to keep them safe? Locking down 100% of everyone is more ethical? People who are at risk, like me, know it because of their age and or health problems. And I do not like being referred to as disposable.

Sorry for using the term. Your ideas sometimes sound very unfit to your actual reality, it's easy to forget yourself.

In my opinion - adaptation would be the key.
I've read delivery services are pushing their workers not to call sick - why? Why not rather hire more people as they are losing their jobs? Farmers can still grow food. Drivers can still deliver necessary goods. Power plants are still operational. Why not agree to downgrade the economy for the time of the crisis and direct the excess manpower to helping with its cause?

I do not understand why you think it is better for most everyone to stay locked down rather than those who are at risk.

There is no way to "downgrade" the economy for months and then expect it to just go back to normal instead of it collapsing. Power plants need paying customers. Farmers need paying customers. Billions of people with no income can not also be paying customers.

You are expressing a true socialist pipedream attitude.

"All people care about is money!" Um yeah because that is what provides them with food, clothing and shelter.