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23 Mar 2020, 5:59 pm

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Forward from NHS nurse who’s sister is one of my wife’s customers wrote:
At The Princess of Wales hospital. NHS staff have been sent this:

This is the advice given to hospital staff.
It explains the virus and hopefully, how to prevent getting it.
Please share with family, friends and work colleagues.

Virus Detection:

The simplest way to distinguish Coronavirus from a Common Cold is that the COVID-19 infection does not cause a cold nose or cough with cold, but it does create a dry and rough cough.
The virus is typically first installed in the throat causing inflammation and a feeling of dryness. This symptom can last between 3 and 4 days.
The virus typically then travels through the moisture present in the airways, goes down to the trachea and installs in the lungs, causing pneumonia that lasts about 5 or 6 days.
Pneumonia manifests with a high fever and difficulty breathing. The Common Cold is not accompanied, but there may be a choking sensation. In this case, the doctor should be called immediately.

Experts suggest doing this simple verification every morning: Breathe in deeply and hold your breath for 10 seconds. If this can be done without coughing, without difficulty, this shows that there is no fibrosis in the lungs, indicating the absence of infection. It is recommended to do this control every morning to help detect infection.

Prevention:
The virus hates heat and dies if it is exposed to temperatures greater than 80°F (27°C). Therefore hot drinks such as infusions, broths or simply hot water should be consumed abundantly during the day. These hot liquids kill the virus and are easy to ingest.
Avoid drinking ice water or drinks with ice cubes.

Ensure that your mouth and throat are always wet, never DRY. You should drink a sip of water at least every 15 minutes. WHY? Even when the virus enters water or other liquids through the mouth, it will get flushed through the oesophagus directly into the stomach where gastric acids destroy the virus. If there is not enough water, the virus can pass into the trachea and from there to the lungs, where it is very dangerous.

For those who can, sunbathe. The Sun's UV rays kill the virus and the vitamin D is good for you.
The Coronavirus has a large size (diameter of 400-500 nanometers) so face masks can stop it, no special face masks are needed in daily life.
If an infected person sneezes nearby, stay 10 feet (3.3 meters) away to allow the virus fall to the ground and prevent it from falling on you.
When the virus is on hard surfaces, it survives about 12 hours, therefore when hard surfaces such as doors, appliances, railings, etc. are touched, hands should be washed thoroughly and/or disinfected with alcoholic gel The virus can live nested in clothes and tissues between 6 and 12 hours. Common detergents can kill it. Things that cannot be washed should be exposed to the Sun and the virus will die.
The transmission of the virus usually occurs by direct infection, touching fabrics, tissues or materials on which the virus is present.
Washing your hands is essential.
The virus survives on our hands for only about 10 minutes. In that time many things can happen, rubbing the eyes, touching the nose or lips. This allows the virus to enter your throat. Therefore, for your good and the good of all, wash your hands very often and disinfect them.
You can gargle with disinfectant solutions (i.e. Listerine or Hydrogen Peroxide) that eliminate or minimize the amount of virus that can enter the throat. Doing so removes the virus before it goes down to the trachea and then to the lungs.
Disinfect things touched often: mobile phone, keyboard, mouse, car steering wheel, door handles, etc ....

Sent in to us just now and we wanted to share this knowledge & advice with you all.

Please do the same and take care!


This is good information. I wonder how accurate it is? I've heard up to three days for viability on surfaces.



The more I think about it, the more this info seems inaccurate in certain respects. It says the virus hates heat and dies at 80 degrees Fahrenheit? Why can it thrive inside a human with a temp of 98.6 degrees or higher? Maybe I'm missing something.

I shared this on a cycling forum, it was reported and deleted by mods within 10 minutes.



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23 Mar 2020, 5:59 pm

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Hopefully our PM will be informed of this or something like it soon: he does seem to be showing the capacity to change course when confronted with relevant data.

He just did - the UK is now officially locked-down... The Guardian: Boris Johnson orders UK lockdown...


Good, stay safe.

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Looks like personal wealth is more important than our lives here.


Of course it is. It has always been. Your country, is an experiment for creating the most docile, subservient dumbed-down bootlicking populace imaginable.



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23 Mar 2020, 6:01 pm

https://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/news-med ... nNC0E0pnyc

cyberdad,
This is with respect to travel INTO Australia. It doesn't mention outbound flights. I'm so confused.


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23 Mar 2020, 6:09 pm

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The economy is going to collapse by everything staying shut down too long. That is guaranteed.

For 95% of those who are not at risk, getting it will be like having flu-like symptoms and then they will recover, just like Tom Hanks is recovering. That and the 5% at risk staying in isolation is not going to collapse the economy.

That's true capitalist attitude! The economy over safety of workers, lock down the disposable 5% and if someone had no idea they was at risk - their bad. The economy needs sacrifices.

I'm really worried for the traditionally capitalist societes.


To some degree.
But what is going to happen if young NT people become unemployed?
Are they going to respect the isolation protocols?
Or are most of them going to flaunt them and socialise surreptitiously?
In their mind, they aren't at risk, which apparently isn't totally true, and bugger the old people.

Same deal with closing the schools.
Unless the kids are seriously supervised, do you honestly think they will comply?

Not attacking you.
Not my style. :wink:



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23 Mar 2020, 6:13 pm

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[i]Tito's Handmade Vodka set to begin production on hand sanitizer



Interesting what will be written on the label:
"Apply it as a hand sanitizer, or drink it, your choice." :mrgreen:



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23 Mar 2020, 6:46 pm

IsabellaLinton wrote:
https://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/news-media/current-alerts/novel-coronavirus?fbclid=IwAR0CobpLulNLJmwXM4YM8nuctTyg9NgWCf8z7iXfu3cwiQZM-nNC0E0pnyc

cyberdad,
This is with respect to travel INTO Australia. It doesn't mention outbound flights. I'm so confused.


Mu understanding is that is applies both ways. Currently we cant even travel interstate.



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23 Mar 2020, 7:15 pm

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They can't suppress that data.

They can suppress it temporarily, and it can be under-reported for many reasons.

It's very tiring for me to argue with people that don't have the minimum knowledge in math. Please, learn about exponential growth from Khan Academy, before replying to me. Please visit:https://www.khanacademy.org/math/algebra/x2f8bb11595b61c86:exponential-growth-decay

The doubling period of COVID-19 is well established. Without containment, it's 3 to 4 days in non-tropical countries. With COVID-19 exploding in the world (Egypt is an African country, too), there is no way that COVID-19 hasn't set foot in Africa. It has. By the time it reaches 500 cases, even without testing at all, you will have clusters of patients all over places. News will break out. Doctors will be panicking. There is simply no way to hide. How many days that it take to reach 500 cases? That's 3.5*log(500)/log(2) = 31 days. In a month news will break out, you will observe close families or co-workers infected. Patients will need respirators. Many of the patients need hospitalization. With this type of exponential growth, there is no way to hide. COVID-19 has been out there for 3 months, for heaven's sake. Africa is China's backyard. You can suppress COVID-19 cases no more than a month. With the news all over the world, you think people in Africa haven't heard about it? There are 183+ countries reporting about coronavirus cases. African countries ARE reporting.

Even in the case of Cairo, Egypt, I just ran the regression and the doubling period is 4.8 days. Cairo is only recently getting warmer. (A good transition point is the equinox, which was in March 20th, a few days ago.) You can see that Cairo's case already shows its doubling period is longer than European or Northern America countries. What does this mean? It means that for tropical countries, the doubling period is substantially longer than 5 days. Exponential growth is probably not even valid, as virus is killed easily in hot weather.

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23 Mar 2020, 7:51 pm

Moretto wrote:
blackicmenace wrote:
Trogluddite wrote:
Karamazov wrote:
Hopefully our PM will be informed of this or something like it soon: he does seem to be showing the capacity to change course when confronted with relevant data.

He just did - the UK is now officially locked-down... The Guardian: Boris Johnson orders UK lockdown...


Good, stay safe.

"WE CANNOT LET THE CURE BE WORSE THAN THE PROBLEM ITSELF. AT THE END OF THE 15 DAY PERIOD, WE WILL MAKE A DECISION AS TO WHICH WAY WE WANT TO GO!" -Donald J. Trump Twitter

Looks like personal wealth is more important than our lives here.


Of course it is. It has always been. Your country, if you even want to call it that is an experiment for creating the most docile, subservient dumbed-down bootlicking populace imaginable. Your "leaders" should have been swinging off the ends of nooses decades ago.


"This post has already been reported."
Who beat me in reporting? :mrgreen:



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23 Mar 2020, 7:56 pm

domineekee wrote:
Magna wrote:
Magna wrote:
Karamazov wrote:
Forward from NHS nurse who’s sister is one of my wife’s customers wrote:
At The Princess of Wales hospital. NHS staff have been sent this:

This is the advice given to hospital staff.
It explains the virus and hopefully, how to prevent getting it.
Please share with family, friends and work colleagues.

Virus Detection:

The simplest way to distinguish Coronavirus from a Common Cold is that the COVID-19 infection does not cause a cold nose or cough with cold, but it does create a dry and rough cough.
The virus is typically first installed in the throat causing inflammation and a feeling of dryness. This symptom can last between 3 and 4 days.
The virus typically then travels through the moisture present in the airways, goes down to the trachea and installs in the lungs, causing pneumonia that lasts about 5 or 6 days.
Pneumonia manifests with a high fever and difficulty breathing. The Common Cold is not accompanied, but there may be a choking sensation. In this case, the doctor should be called immediately.

Experts suggest doing this simple verification every morning: Breathe in deeply and hold your breath for 10 seconds. If this can be done without coughing, without difficulty, this shows that there is no fibrosis in the lungs, indicating the absence of infection. It is recommended to do this control every morning to help detect infection.

Prevention:
The virus hates heat and dies if it is exposed to temperatures greater than 80°F (27°C). Therefore hot drinks such as infusions, broths or simply hot water should be consumed abundantly during the day. These hot liquids kill the virus and are easy to ingest.
Avoid drinking ice water or drinks with ice cubes.

Ensure that your mouth and throat are always wet, never DRY. You should drink a sip of water at least every 15 minutes. WHY? Even when the virus enters water or other liquids through the mouth, it will get flushed through the oesophagus directly into the stomach where gastric acids destroy the virus. If there is not enough water, the virus can pass into the trachea and from there to the lungs, where it is very dangerous.

For those who can, sunbathe. The Sun's UV rays kill the virus and the vitamin D is good for you.
The Coronavirus has a large size (diameter of 400-500 nanometers) so face masks can stop it, no special face masks are needed in daily life.
If an infected person sneezes nearby, stay 10 feet (3.3 meters) away to allow the virus fall to the ground and prevent it from falling on you.
When the virus is on hard surfaces, it survives about 12 hours, therefore when hard surfaces such as doors, appliances, railings, etc. are touched, hands should be washed thoroughly and/or disinfected with alcoholic gel The virus can live nested in clothes and tissues between 6 and 12 hours. Common detergents can kill it. Things that cannot be washed should be exposed to the Sun and the virus will die.
The transmission of the virus usually occurs by direct infection, touching fabrics, tissues or materials on which the virus is present.
Washing your hands is essential.
The virus survives on our hands for only about 10 minutes. In that time many things can happen, rubbing the eyes, touching the nose or lips. This allows the virus to enter your throat. Therefore, for your good and the good of all, wash your hands very often and disinfect them.
You can gargle with disinfectant solutions (i.e. Listerine or Hydrogen Peroxide) that eliminate or minimize the amount of virus that can enter the throat. Doing so removes the virus before it goes down to the trachea and then to the lungs.
Disinfect things touched often: mobile phone, keyboard, mouse, car steering wheel, door handles, etc ....

Sent in to us just now and we wanted to share this knowledge & advice with you all.

Please do the same and take care!


This is good information. I wonder how accurate it is? I've heard up to three days for viability on surfaces.



The more I think about it, the more this info seems inaccurate in certain respects. It says the virus hates heat and dies at 80 degrees Fahrenheit? Why can it thrive inside a human with a temp of 98.6 degrees or higher? Maybe I'm missing something.

I shared this on a cycling forum, it was reported and deleted by mods within 10 minutes.


Off hand the information provide IMHO looks like good info. So I will add my two cents:

Cycling forum - Really. They are medical experts? I am a mod on a different website (bariatric surgery). Am I a doctor or medical expert? No. But when the website was being constantly attacked by trolls, I came to their aid and they made me a mod. There are perhaps a number of reasons why a mod might remove it. For one it is medical advice from an anonymous source (a nurse who's sister is my wife client).

About the 80 degree F comment? "the virus hates heat and dies at 80 degrees Fahrenheit?" That is probably a true statement but it is missing a vitally important parameter "time".
Here is a link to an article from WHO on a different coronavirus called SARS. First data on stability and resistance of SARS coronavirus compiled by members of WHO laboratory network
It talks about the vulnerability of SARS coronavirus cell-culture supernatant to temperature.
Statement #1: Only minimal reduction in virus concentration after 21 days at 4°C and -80°C.
4°C = 39.2°F. So this statement says at temperatures of ~ 40°F and colder this coronavirus survives quite well.
Statement #2: Reduction in virus concentration by one log only at stable room temperature for 2 days.
This is saying that at Room Temperature (~ 70°F) the concentration of the coronavirus will decease one log in 2 days time.
Statement #3: Heat at 56°C kills the SARS coronavirus at around 10000 units per 15 min (quick reduction).
So this is saying that at 56°C (132.8°F), the SARS coronavirus is quickly killed in a matter of minutes.

So the statement "the virus hates heat and dies at 80 degrees Fahrenheit?" is true but it doesn't say how long before it dies.

Also we do not want to mix apples with oranges. Outdoor temperatures (i.e. a virus lands on outdoor table) is very different than the temperature of the human throat. This is because if it lands on a table, it cannot replicate. The human throat is the engine for generating millions of these viruses. It is the engine of the virus production. Without the human throat, the coronavirus would cease to exist in a matter of a few weeks. If mankind became extinct, this coronavirus would soon follow.

One of the statements in the original article reads:
"The Coronavirus has a large size (diameter of 400-500 nanometers) so face masks can stop it, no special face masks are needed in daily life."
I would take exception to that statement. The COVID19 coronavirus is much smaller.
"Thus, SARS-CoV-2 belongs to the betaCoVs category. It has round or elliptic and often pleomorphic form, and a diameter of approximately 60–140 nm. Like other CoVs, it is sensitive to ultraviolet rays and heat. Furthermore, these viruses can be effectively inactivated by lipid solvents including ether (75%), ethanol, chlorine-containing disinfectant, peroxyacetic acid and chloroform except for chlorhexidine."
Source: Features, Evaluation and Treatment Coronavirus (COVID-19)


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23 Mar 2020, 8:03 pm

The Comprehensive Timeline of China’s COVID-19 Lies

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23 Mar 2020, 8:27 pm

Hospital ship USNS Mercy heads to Los Angeles in COVID-19 response

March 23 (UPI) -- The hospital ship USNS Mercy will leave its home port of San Diego for Los Angeles on Monday, FEMA Administrator Peter Gaynor said.

The ship, with 1,000 beds, is built to treat those wounded by war and trauma, and will not treat Southern California's COVID-19 cases. Its visit, expected to last one week, is instead meant to alleviate pressure on local hospitals as they deal with the pandemic.


https://www.upi.com/Defense-News/2020/0 ... 8062/?sl=5


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23 Mar 2020, 9:27 pm

Today I had to go to the huge Kaiser medical facility for Snohomish county in Washington. It is only treating emergencies for the most part because of the virus. The place was nearly completely empty. Staff was standing around and chatting because there were almost no patients in the place.

Hardly remotely close to being overloaded.



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23 Mar 2020, 9:40 pm

blackicmenace wrote:
Trogluddite wrote:
Karamazov wrote:
Hopefully our PM will be informed of this or something like it soon: he does seem to be showing the capacity to change course when confronted with relevant data.

He just did - the UK is now officially locked-down... The Guardian: Boris Johnson orders UK lockdown...


Good, stay safe.

"WE CANNOT LET THE CURE BE WORSE THAN THE PROBLEM ITSELF. AT THE END OF THE 15 DAY PERIOD, WE WILL MAKE A DECISION AS TO WHICH WAY WE WANT TO GO!" -Donald J. Trump Twitter

Looks like personal wealth is more important than our lives here.


Shame on those greedy selfish bastards who want income for food and shelter and basic necessities.

What the hell is wrong with them?



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23 Mar 2020, 9:41 pm

I hope it stays that way at that hospital.

Even though there were 15 deaths in Washington State yesterday, the progression of cases seems to be lessening somewhat.



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23 Mar 2020, 9:45 pm

There have been less than 17,000 deaths worldwide out of 8 billion people and the virus season is about 3/4 over with.



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23 Mar 2020, 9:49 pm

I have doubts about the effectiveness of climate against COVID-19, but for the sake of taking this discussion in a new direction, I'll adopt the stance that it can in fact make a huge difference.

So let's say scientists can prove in a lab that a specific humidity level and temperature will quickly eliminate this new virus. It would then seem advantageous to recreate that environment in as many indoor public areas as possible until the pandemic is over. My understanding is that this virus is mainly spreading indoors. Therefore, even the most ideal outdoor climate will not halt its spread. The problem is that hospitals require certain air levels for their patients' health, and some other heavily frequented places (e.g. grocery stores) require specific levels for their goods. Then you have hotels, planes, subways, restaurants, offices, and many other businesses that require human-friendly air levels for customer satisfaction, not to mention for health regulations. So then, can we temporarily adjust our air levels so that they're closer to this hypothetical anti-viral level for some of those businesses, without making customers uncomfortable or violating health regulations? Would it be enough to at least slow the virus to a manageable level? Would the government approve the opening of businesses that meet the criteria for new, safer air conditions?