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23 Mar 2020, 9:51 pm

Governments don’t just close stores and put people on lockdown for nothing. It’s not in their best interest to do that.

There is much of COVID-19 which isn’t just the flu.



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23 Mar 2020, 9:56 pm

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There have been less than 17,000 deaths worldwide out of 8 billion people and the virus season is about 3/4 over with.


More comparative statistics to consider:

The third-leading cause of death in US most doctors don’t want you to know about

A recent Johns Hopkins study claims more than 250,000 people in the U.S. die every year from medical errors. Other reports claim the numbers to be as high as 440,000. Medical errors are the third-leading cause of death after heart disease and cancer.


https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/22/medical ... erica.html


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23 Mar 2020, 10:04 pm

Darmok wrote:
EzraS wrote:
There have been less than 17,000 deaths worldwide out of 8 billion people and the virus season is about 3/4 over with.


More comparative statistics to consider:

The third-leading cause of death in US most doctors don’t want you to know about

A recent Johns Hopkins study claims more than 250,000 people in the U.S. die every year from medical errors. Other reports claim the numbers to be as high as 440,000. Medical errors are the third-leading cause of death after heart disease and cancer.


https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/22/medical ... erica.html


That does not matter. There have been 530 deaths compared to that 250,000 which makes the coronavirus the number one killer in the US. Everything needs to be kept shut down until we are worse off than the poorest 3rd world hellhole on earth. That is the only solution you damn capitalist.



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23 Mar 2020, 10:10 pm

Looking on the bright side, if you get the timing right, you can purchase some amazing stocks at low prices and then watch them climb once the economy returns in full swing.



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23 Mar 2020, 10:27 pm

You’re right about that, Syd.



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23 Mar 2020, 10:28 pm

There is signs that there might be light at the end of the tunnel.

Now that coronavirus test kits are finally out there, we are quickly getting a good feel for the extent of the virus incursion in the U.S. New York is getting pounded. Of the 43,600 coronavirus cases in the U.S., New York has 20,875.

Dr. Vladimir Zelenko, a family medicine doctor treating the Hasidic [Kiryas Joel] community in New York, indicated a few days ago that the virus is running rampant in the community. He is currently treating 350 Kiryas Joel patients with another 150 outside the community. Kiryas Joel, a village about an hour outside of New York City with a population of more than 26,000, virtually all of them Jewish. Kiryas Joel is one of the poorest and highest-density municipalities in the country, leading to concerns that the disease would spread easily — especially since Teitelbaum and other ultra-Orthodox rabbis were slower to respond to the virus than their non-Haredi counterparts.

“They didn’t shut down those schools or synagogues until a day or so ago,” Steven Neuhaus, the executive of Orange County, which includes Kiryas Joel, told ABC7 on Friday. “So that lead time has created chaos and is going to contribute to the number (of cases) we have here.”

Dr. Vladimir Zelenko is treating these patients with the new experimental drug protocol (anti-malarial drug, hydroxychloroquine/chloroquin). He is claiming that of these patients that he is treating, there is no hospitalizations and no deaths. He said the shortness of breath issue resolves itself in 4-6 hours.

If that is the case, this new treatment might end this threat. [I may have my facts a little mixed at the moment because I am pulling it off TV, but if that is the case, this is great news.]


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23 Mar 2020, 10:29 pm

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Looking on the bright side, if you get the timing right, you can purchase some amazing stocks at low prices and then watch them climb once the economy returns in full swing.

That is assuming those companies don't file for bankruptcy...



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23 Mar 2020, 10:30 pm

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Looking on the bright side, if you get the timing right, you can purchase some amazing stocks at low prices and then watch them climb once the economy returns in full swing.


If everything is shut down as long as many want, there will not be any return.



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23 Mar 2020, 10:31 pm

This seems promising.....it really does.

If only this medication were available for this in Wuhan!



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23 Mar 2020, 10:37 pm

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This seems promising.....it really does.

If only this medication were available for this in Wuhan!


China is one of the countries that tested this protocol. I would imagine that Wuhan used a lot of this medication. If I recall correctly, they haven't had a new case in the past 5 days!


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23 Mar 2020, 10:38 pm

The coronavirus will probably be 95th on the list of things that caused deaths in China in 2020.

It will be way down the list even in Italy.



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23 Mar 2020, 10:47 pm

If they have found an effective treatment, this whole pandemic will wind down rather quickly. This trillion dollar stimulus package might evaporate away as the lockdowns quickly end and everyone returns back to work, like this pandemic never even happened.


---and this thread will end---


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23 Mar 2020, 10:50 pm

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So let's say scientists can prove in a lab that a specific humidity level and temperature will quickly eliminate this new virus. It would then seem advantageous to recreate that environment in as many indoor public areas as possible until the pandemic is over.

If you have read Jimmy and my postings, you will see that we both try to create better environments at home. I have a humidifier at home. We also cook a pan of water whenever we remember (a few times a day.) Jimmy has a UV light air purifier. Mine is centralized directly installed inside the vent. It's not just temperature alone. You combine it with humidity and UV light disinfection, and your air should be pretty safe.

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My understanding is that this virus is mainly spreading indoors.

That's not the right way of looking at it. California just closed down all beaches and parks. Why would they do that if outdoor were safe?

The right way of looking at it is: the primary route of propagation is your fingers touching a soiled surface (an elevator button, a table top, a door knob, a chair, a ball, etc.), and then you touch your own face. (There is a second route in close contact, via droplet landing directly on your face. But that route is secondary. It's rare to have sick people sneezing directly onto you nowadays.) If you play tennis, or basketball, you are putting yourself in danger. There is a reason why so many NBA players get infected.

Why did California close down parks and beaches? Because people are not careful enough, and would sit on benches, or do group activities. Your fingers are your worst enemy.

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So then, can we temporarily adjust our air levels so that they're closer to this hypothetical anti-viral level for some of those businesses, without making customers uncomfortable or violating health regulations?

AC is a big problem. Diamond Princess is a good example. Florida is another good example. AC air alternates between hot and cold situations, creating condensation, and converting aerosol (largely harmless form of virus) into droplets (harmful form of virus). The condensation of virus on room surfaces creates the primary route of propagation, through your fingers.

The vent system has to have good filter, and also UV light disinfection.


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23 Mar 2020, 10:53 pm

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If they have found an effective treatment, this whole pandemic will wind down rather quickly. This trillion dollar stimulus package might evaporate away as the lockdowns quickly end and everyone returns back to work, like this pandemic never even happened.


---and this thread will end---


That would be great, except that the people who are already taking Hydrochloroquine for autoimmune disorders have decreased immunity, they are more at risk if they come into contact with Covid-19, and the drug won't help them recover because they're already on it. I hope there is another cure for those people.


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23 Mar 2020, 11:05 pm

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That would be great, except that the people who are already taking Hydrochloroquine for autoimmune disorders have decreased immunity, they are more at risk if they come into contact with Covid-19, and the drug won't help them recover because they're already on it. I hope there is another cure for those people.

We don't know that. They are currently running a double blind study on the PREVENTIVE power of Hydroxychloroquine on COVID-19. The thought is that it may have preventive power. If so, we already have a safe-enough "vaccine."


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