cyberdad wrote:
Its interesting that in the events leading to his death, Rosenbaum was taunting the Kenosha militia. He was particularly vicious against a tall armed man in military gear. I didn't actually see Rittenhouse in the video.
What transpired shortly after is Rosenbaum was dead and Kyle ran away on his own.
There is missing time here. If Rittenhouse acted on his own to intervene against Rosenbaum then logic dictates the Kenosha militia clearly didn't have Kyle's back which means either they didn't consider him one of their own despite him hanging around them and claiming to be protecting people and property.Its also possible he was acting rogue and they were keeping their distance from him,
We could always go to the details from a witness included in the charging document (which have been linked in this thread several times, with this timeframe having been outlined as a result of your making similar unfounded assertions a week ago):
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McGinnis stated that before the defendant reached the parking lot and ran across it, the defendant had moved from the middle of Sheridan Road to the sidewalk and that is when McGinnis saw a male (Rosenbaum) initially try to engage the defendant. McGinnis stated that as the defendant was walking Rosenbaum was trying to get closer to the defendant. When Rosenbaum advanced, the defendant dide a "juke" move and started running. McGinnis stated that there were other people that were moving very quickly. McGinnis stated that they were moving towards the defendant. McGinnis said that according to what he saw the defendant was trying to evade these individuals.
Source:
https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/journaltimes.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/4/6f/46ff33b7-0bd7-55e6-8f2f-9ded0582862f/5f4933274cde9.pdf.pdfAlready described in thread:
https://wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=389886&p=8601486#p8601486 with a post by yourself made 12 minutes later indicating an extreme unliklihood that you were unaware of this, particularly given you replied to a post that was in responce to this post a little later still.
Or, we can go to the defence's public statement:
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After the crowd passed the premises and Kyle believed the threat of further destruction had passed, he became increasingly concerned with the injured protestors and bystanders congregating at a nearby gas station with no immediate access to medical assistance or help from law enforcement. Kyle headed in that direction with a first aid kit. He sought out injured persons, rendered aid, and tried to guide people to others who could assist to the extent he could do so amid the chaos. By the final time Kyle returned to the gas station and confirmed there were no more injured individuals who needed assistance, police had advanced their formation and blocked what would have been his path back to the mechanic’s shop. Kyle then complied with the police instructions not to go back there. Kyle returned to the gas station until he learned of a need to help protect the second mechanic’s shop further down the street where property destruction was imminent with no police were nearby.
As Kyle proceeded towards the second mechanic’s shop, he was accosted by multiple rioters who recognized that he had been attempting to protect a business the mob wanted to destroy. This outraged the rioters and created a mob now determined to hurt Kyle. They began chasing him down. Kyle attempted to get away, but he could not do so quickly enough. Upon the sound of a gunshot behind him, Kyle turned and was immediately faced with an attacker lunging towards him and reaching for his rifle. He reacted instantaneously and justifiably with his weapon to protect himself, firing and striking the attacker.
Source:
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/kyle-rittenhouses-lawyers-release-statement/As is obvious, neither the witness statement (which the prosecution relied on), nor the defence's statement show any indication of Kyle approaching Mr Rosenbaum, nor an inclination to do so - in fact that both show Kyle wanting nothing to do with him, and trying to keep his distance from him.
Given this information has been available in the thread for some time, the repeated actions of ignoring these details, or making unsubstantiated claims of actions in direct opposition to known facts does lead to the question of whether this comes from an intention to deliberately misrepresent factual information, or a simple case of cognitive disonance, where the facts don't meet your needs ("the right are evil, the left are angels"), but you cannot understand how what you
want to have happened is not borne out by evidence available.
So, along with the "Kyle rushed home to delete his facebook page" unsubstantiated claim, where evidence available points to the page still having been live after he was arrested, can we please add the "Rittenhouse acted on his own to intervene against Rosenbaum" and "Its also possible he was acting rogue" to the list of misrepresentations until you can supply actual evidence? Of course, if you can suply evidence to support one of these claims, then they would become worth reconsidering, where the currently known facts can be compared to any newly uncovered ones in order to see how they may be connected, and what impact they have on the events which occurred.
It may also be worthwhile looking at available information in this thread (how many times have I asked that you do this now?), as with 2 "misrepresentations" thus far in a single thread when data was available in the thread to refute them already, any more would certainly lead an objective person to question the veracity of anything else you have posted, whether evidence based or not.
09 Sep 2020, 2:35 am
