Emergence of a Deadly Coronavirus

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Go to Italy. The death rate is about 9-10% among those who catch the virus.

To say this is a Democratic plot is absurd.

The CDC has no interest in creating an underclass of Americans.

I doubt that Trump gave in to Democratic pressure in adopting all these restrictions on the lives of Americans. He saw the situation, and acted upon it based on bipartisan concerns.

Indeed: Mr Trump has a deep antipathy to taking outside advice, particularly from people who have criticised him, or blocked his plans in the past.

For him to have come out in favour of plans backed by the Democrats in Congress should be evaluated against that background.

Whatever currently secret reports he’s seen in the issue must be both deeply troubling and very clear cut for him to have taken these actions.

As to his motives: all that is required is that he does the least worst for his country, whether he does so out of nobility or venality is irrelevant, so long as he does it.

I am not saying covid-19 is a plot. I am saying I think it is possible that democrats want to take advantage of the situation.

Trump and republicans want to stick with the original reasonable plan of a 15 day shutdown (as the virus takes up to 14 days to incubate). The democrats are fighting against this and want to prolong it indefinitely.

Italy is being focused upon rather than all the other countries where the death rate percentage is not so high.

Rather than measuring it by the overall death rate percentage throughout the world, it is being measured where it is worse to convince people to go along with an indefinite shutdown.

Has anyone taken into account that there are about 15 million people age 65+ living in Italy?

Last edited by EzraS on 24 Mar 2020, 5:40 am, edited 1 time in total.

I find this very disturbing.
No evident partisanship in your statement at all.
Tut, tut.

I can't imagine that a man in his position isn't trying to remedy the situation.
Contrary to popular belief, I am convinced the man isn't a monster, orange or otherwise.
I am not a Trump fanboy, btw.
I am simply fairminded.
<thinks, are they buying it?>



This is my best guess, also.

Kraftie, how are you feeling today? Is Mrs Kraftie okay?

We are both okay. Thanks for asking

We have plenty of over 65’s here in the US, too.

The objective is to not turn the US into another Italy. This is why we, and other nations, are taking these measures.

It should be noted that Italy took draconian measures pretty quickly. It’s unfortunate it went the way it did there. Imagine if they didn’t take those measures?

Enough ventilators and medical staff = minimal deaths.


I have mentioned this twice before.
This will be my third time.

https://www.crainsnewyork.com/coronavirus/chinas-factories-work-247-build-ventilators-milan-new-york

“There’s literally no country in the world that doesn’t want to buy a ventilator from China right now.” said Li Kai, director of Beijing Aeonmed, “We have tens of thousands of orders waiting. The issue is how fast we can make them.”

This is an element you rarely find within the “regular” flu: the impending need for ventilators.

Hopefully, these drugs which are being proposed will serve to keep this “flu” at a “flu-like” level, and not have it progress to pneumonia and worse.

True, but Italy is considerably smaller and more densely packed.

"2012 there were 613,520 deaths in Italy.

The top three causes, ischemic heart diseases (75,098 deaths), cerebrovascular diseases (61,255 deaths) and other heart diseases (48,384)"
https://www.istat.it/en/archivio/140877

Why haven't they taken draconian measures against heart disease?

Because it's not a boogeyman like covid.

Like I have said there are so many other things that cause considerably greater numbers of deaths than covid-19. Even in Italy covid-19 will be way down the list of primary causes of death there in 2020.

We did not take the same or greater draconian measures as Italy and yet our death toll has been 10 times less even though our population is 5 times greater.

That indicates draconian measures are not all that effective.

Seems I often happen to be on the right track.

A point I would raise is what about the effect on those of us that rely on support from family/stepfamily members who are 'high risk' ?

My stepdaughter who helps me quite a lot is high risk due to the Asthma meds she takes . As I'm chronically, as opposed to acutely, mentally ill , although treated better here in Wiltshire, I'm still not in the priority group for support by mental health services etc .

You can't catch heart disease by milling about with other people in public.

My family of three has been constantly sick since last December. My six year old has been coughing for weeks. Sometimes constantly, all day. He’s been treated several times for different things but he keeps coughing anyway. The last time they said he has walking pneumonia. We’re taking him back in this morning. I just don’t know what to do.

US 2019

Number of visits to emergency departments with pneumonia as the primary diagnosis: 1.3 million.

Number of deaths: 49,157
Deaths per 100,000 population: 15.1

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/pneumonia.htm

But there's not a state of panic over pneumonia like there is with covid-19

What separates covid-19 from the flu and pneumonia etc as far as measures being taken against is not its severity compared to those things.

It is the extreme level of panic over covid-19.