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24 Mar 2020, 7:55 am

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A point I would raise is what about the effect on those of us that rely on support from family/stepfamily members who are 'high risk' ?

My stepdaughter who helps me quite a lot is high risk due to the Asthma meds she takes . As I'm chronically, as opposed to acutely, mentally ill , although treated better here in Wiltshire, I'm still not in the priority group for support by mental health services etc .


Nothing on the council's website and no community groups on Facebook as yet. :shrug:



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24 Mar 2020, 7:58 am

The panic over COVID-19 is because this is a “novel,” new disease. And we don’t know what havoc it could actually wreak.



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24 Mar 2020, 8:03 am

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This is an element you rarely find within the “regular” flu: the impending need for ventilators.

That's right and all of a sudden they are in such high demand. Then there are the 3rd world countries where equipment is scarce and mostly within the walls of private hospitals.



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24 Mar 2020, 8:03 am

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You can't catch heart disease by milling about with other people in public.


No but there are a number of simple preventive measures that can be taken to greatly reduce the massive deaths caused by heart disease.

My guess is that a considerably high number of people terrified of covid-19, live a lifestyle that contributes greatly towards them getting heart disease.



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24 Mar 2020, 8:07 am

After 9/11 gas masks were in high demand because of panic over the fear of gas and biological attacks from the terrorists. People were scared to death.



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24 Mar 2020, 8:08 am

Please watch, food for thought about Corona

https://youtu.be/yjuseXeXep8


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24 Mar 2020, 8:10 am

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firemonkey wrote:
A point I would raise is what about the effect on those of us that rely on support from family/stepfamily members who are 'high risk' ?

My stepdaughter who helps me quite a lot is high risk due to the Asthma meds she takes . As I'm chronically, as opposed to acutely, mentally ill , although treated better here in Wiltshire, I'm still not in the priority group for support by mental health services etc .


Nothing on the council's website and no community groups on Facebook as yet. :shrug:


Thanks for looking . I am due to be seen every year re the care act reviews .



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24 Mar 2020, 8:21 am

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US 2019

Number of visits to emergency departments with pneumonia as the primary diagnosis: 1.3 million.

Number of deaths: 49,157
Deaths per 100,000 population: 15.1

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/pneumonia.htm

But there's not a state of panic over pneumonia like there is with covid-19

What separates covid-19 from the flu and pneumonia etc as far as measures being taken against is not its severity compared to those things.

It is the extreme level of panic over covid-19.


You realize Covid can lead to pneumonia?


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24 Mar 2020, 8:23 am

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firemonkey wrote:
A point I would raise is what about the effect on those of us that rely on support from family/stepfamily members who are 'high risk' ?

My stepdaughter who helps me quite a lot is high risk due to the Asthma meds she takes . As I'm chronically, as opposed to acutely, mentally ill , although treated better here in Wiltshire, I'm still not in the priority group for support by mental health services etc .


Nothing on the council's website and no community groups on Facebook as yet. :shrug:


Thanks for looking . I am due to be seen every year re the care act reviews .


Maybe it would be worth ringing your local surgery of psych team. I would imagine that the community will mobilise when the time comes.



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If they have found an effective treatment, this whole pandemic will wind down rather quickly. This trillion dollar stimulus package might evaporate away as the lockdowns quickly end and everyone returns back to work, like this pandemic never even happened.


---and this thread will end---


That would be great, except that the people who are already taking Hydrochloroquine for autoimmune disorders have decreased immunity, they are more at risk if they come into contact with Covid-19, and the drug won't help them recover because they're already on it. I hope there is another cure for those people.


The solution lies in community spread. If you kill off the coronavirus throughout the rest of the world, those with autoimmune disorders will never get this coronavirus because it is not resident in the community.


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24 Mar 2020, 8:26 am

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Possible scenario: any signs of the virus not being as serious as first imagined and or it getting better will result in the claim that is because of the shutdown and why it therefore needs to be prolonged until businesses are crushed and people are on their knees begging the government to save them from homelessness and starvation.


Economic strain or financial collapse is inevitable ---

whether or not the situation turns out to be as devastating long-term as Italy's situation became.

The risk is real in the meantime

There should be a two-pronged approach to mitigate the spread and to cushion the blow financially and that... I'm not sure how it will happen...


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24 Mar 2020, 8:38 am

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If they have found an effective treatment, this whole pandemic will wind down rather quickly. This trillion dollar stimulus package might evaporate away as the lockdowns quickly end and everyone returns back to work, like this pandemic never even happened.

---and this thread will end---


Where have you got that information from? I am just wondering.


I have several postings on this thread that discuss the effectiveness of Hydrochloroquine/Chloroquine on treating COVID19. Generally I cite my source. The one on the Jewish community in New York was on the television last night. So I had to capture the jest of it before it was gone. So no source. Thinking it might be available and reported on the internet this morning. While I was looking, I stumbled onto the following article in the Jewish Journal:

The Israeli pharmaceutical company Teva announced in a March 20 press release that it is donating more than 6 million tablets of a drug that could potentially treat coronavirus to the United States. The 6 million tablets of hydroxychloroquine will be sent to the U.S. by March 31 and at least an additional 4 million tablets during April.

The American Jewish Committee tweeted, “Thank you, Israeli pharmaceutical company Teva, for prioritizing human lives during this pandemic! #BeAMensch”

The China Academy of Sciences in Wuhan wrote in a March 18 report that its experiments with the drug show that “it has good potential to combat the disease.” Twenty coronavirus patients in France were treated with the drug and 70% tested negative for the virus in six days. Six of those patients took hydroxychloroquine with azithromycin — an antibiotic — and all six tested negative at the end of six days, according to the New York Post.

Source: Israeli Company to Donate 6 Million Tablets of Drug to U.S. That Could Help Against Coronavirus

I finally found a link: Listen: Dr. Vladimir Zelenko Discusses His COVID-19 Treatment with Sean Hannity
It also contains a video link.


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24 Mar 2020, 8:43 am

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Laughing at other people's misery is scraping the bottom of the barrel....


Can you imagine. Freaking murderer. Aspiring to Jim Jones' level of brainwashing no doubt. All these stupid and/or intentionally evil people are taking advantage of this situation.

In Kashmir there is a misguided young man on stage claiming because the people are 'Hanafi Muslims' it won't affect them. What proof? I hope nobody took him seriously. This is what lack of education and discernment and misguided faith does

Edit I looked it up and it isn't confirmed and original story was taken down- however he has done this in the past


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24 Mar 2020, 8:45 am

^ that's my biggest issue with Saudis who build malls instead of libraries for the public. You then create the perfect social environment for people like this to unleash their psychopsthy in case of financial collapse or epidemic or siege.


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24 Mar 2020, 8:53 am

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The panic over COVID-19 is because this is a “novel,” new disease. And we don’t know what havoc it could actually wreak.


Just like every time there is mass panic. It's not over how much of a threat there actually is, but fear over the imagined threat.

That is why Franklin Delano Roosevelt said:

"The Only Thing We Have To Fear Is Fear Itself".

It is too bad those words of wisdom fall on so many deaf ears.



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24 Mar 2020, 8:57 am

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The panic over COVID-19 is because this is a “novel,” new disease. And we don’t know what havoc it could actually wreak.


Just like every time there is mass panic. It's not over how much of a threat there actually is, but over fear of the imagined threat.

That is why Franklin Delano Roosevelt said:

"The Only Thing We Have To Fear Is Fear Itself".

It is too bad those words of wisdom fall on so many deaf ears.

I think either panic or ignoring is wrong right now. The polarisation between the two seems especially unhealthy.


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