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24 Mar 2020, 5:49 pm

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US 2019

Number of visits to emergency departments with pneumonia as the primary diagnosis: 1.3 million.

Number of deaths: 49,157
Deaths per 100,000 population: 15.1

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/pneumonia.htm

But there's not a state of panic over pneumonia like there is with covid-19

What separates covid-19 from the flu and pneumonia etc as far as measures being taken against is not its severity compared to those things.

It is the extreme level of panic over covid-19.

There are vaccines and treatments for pneumonia and the flu. None for COVID-19.

Pneumonia is a symptom caused by various things. Viruses of course. In the elderly weakened swallowing means liquid can go down the "wrong pipe" filling the lungs with fluid. That is what happened to my mom. Lung Cancer cause pneumonia also.


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24 Mar 2020, 5:52 pm

I wonder whether the rules are being enforced more strictly there than here. It seems likely.

I remember in Rocky when he fought the Russian I wanted the Russian to win because he seemed to deserve it being so disciplined and proper. Also I like the hair of his mentor or coach or wife--whatever she was.

I know it's not necessarily accurate because of all the videos of Russian dashcams showing them do wild things (rule breaking) which is why I think maybe they use police and force you to isolate and distance.

Trudeau was being too mild-mannered so nobody listened and there were clips on the news of people completely carrying on like usual in public places - crowds.

I think it proves that gentleness is a bad quality in some matters. Because people only listen to roughness.


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24 Mar 2020, 5:57 pm

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We have bugger-all manufacturing in Australia, so it can't be done here effectively.



I know this is just a Utopian dream, but I would love nothing more than to see the world come together and take care of each other in this hardship.


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24 Mar 2020, 5:58 pm

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Mystery toilet paper gifter saves neighbours’ ‘craptastrophe’
It’s the ultimate random act of kindness in a sticky situation — a roll of toilet paper in the letterbox — and a group of lucky neighbours in Heathmon...



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24 Mar 2020, 6:02 pm

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Pepe wrote:
We have bugger-all manufacturing in Australia, so it can't be done here effectively.



I know this is just a Utopian dream, but I would love nothing more than to see the world come together and take care of each other in this hardship.



Agreed. So many ppl n countries cooperated fr World wars


--even countries who had been under occupation by french/british etc, helped them ----

despite achieving independence... Eg my grandfather

why can't they do it for this?

Re toilwt paper please all of u...

look up Lota (too embarrassed to explain here)

and order one or use something like a watering can or milk jug instead..

That will extend or supplement your stock and avert panic in ur life... Plz pass on the info too or copypaste what i wrote or paraphrase it

Swear i hate muslims for not telling their acquaintances n friends about this during this time when ppl are experiencing distress thinking about not having an item as toilet paper. There are zillions in every country and they are like numbskulls just watching everyone panic and not sharing this tip


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24 Mar 2020, 6:02 pm

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We have bugger-all manufacturing in Australia, so it can't be done here effectively.



I know this is just a Utopian dream, but I would love nothing more than to see the world come together and take care of each other in this hardship.




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24 Mar 2020, 6:08 pm

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This is going to be for a while. The tri-State area is the hotbed for COVID-19.


Most likely the total collapse of the economy will happen sooner.

So be it. We recovered from the Great Recession, multiple wars, 2008 recession, we’ll recover again just as the other nations doing lock downs will.

How about you stop panicking over the economy.

My Facebook is full of people who say “don’t panic over this virus” then panic over the economy

Can't one be allowed to panic over both? :(

As pointed out earlier in this thread if the worst case scenarios happen the economy will creator anyway. There won't be a need for government mandated lockdowns. Most people will fall into three categories 1. Dead thus can't work 2. Too sick to work. 3. Too afraid to work.

A significant segment of the American public has still not recovered or gotten back to where they were prior to the 2008 Depression (which was a depression not the euphemism "Great recession"). It is a major factor in the deterioration of politics and civility. This is a worse place because of that. I would not be so callous about that. You won't be so callous when you and most people you know are out of work and get little or no benefits because the government is literally bankrupt because of massive stimuli payments added to an already huge deficits and a lot less money coming in.


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24 Mar 2020, 6:27 pm

This man is basically saying the same thing as EzraS. It's worth reading because he goes into a lot of detail about related issues

https://news.yahoo.com/why-nobel-laurea ... 18391.html


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24 Mar 2020, 6:38 pm

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Does anyone have info on whether any treatments have yet proven to be effective?

Yes, a common generic drug in use for decades for malaria, when combined with a standard antibiotic, is proving to be highly effective against the coronavirus in widespread preliminary testing. More thorough testing is underway, but in some people it has reportedly been working within a matter of hours. Production and distribution are already being ramped up around the world.


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24 Mar 2020, 7:16 pm

White House public health expert says anyone who recently left New York should self-quarantine

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The White House's coronavirus response coordinator said Tuesday that anyone who has recently left New York should self-quarantine for 14 days in an effort to slow the spread of the virus in the US.

"To everyone who has left New York over the last few days, because of the rate of the number of cases, you may have been exposed before you left New York," Dr. Deborah Birx said at a White House press briefing, adding that "everybody who was in New York should be self-quarantining for the next 14 days to ensure that the virus doesn't spread to others."

"No matter where they have gone, whether it's Florida or North Carolina or out to the far reaches of Long Island," Birx said.

With surging positive tests, New York has become the epicenter of coronavirus cases in the US. Birx's guidance comes as more than 51,000 cases were reported nationwide by Tuesday afternoon -- more than half of them in New York.

Mayor Bill de Blasio told CNN on Monday that, as a result, New York City hospitals will make it only through the week before they start reaching "a point where people can't be saved" because of equipment shortages.
"It's shocking to have to say this. Even just a few days ago, I thought we could get safely into April. It's moving so fast right now, that I can't even say that anymore," de Blasio said.

Birx said that "about 56% of all the cases in the United States are coming out of that metro area and 60% of all the new cases are coming out of the metro New York area and 31% of the people succumbing to this disease."

"It means, because they are still at the 31% mortality compared to the other regions of the country, that we can have a huge impact if we unite together. This means that, as in all places, they have to be following the presidential guidelines ... and this will be critical," she said.

President Donald Trump wouldn't say at Tuesday's briefing whether he had given New York Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo a heads-up that guidance was coming Tuesday for New Yorkers to self-quarantine.

"We're talking to them about it," he said as he left the briefing room.


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24 Mar 2020, 8:23 pm

The good, the bad, and the ugly.

The Good:
It is good Kristina Keneally is hammering those who allowed The "Ruby Princess" cruise ship to enter NSW without proper/critical health considerations. Keep at it!! !

The Bad:
Instead of her getting stuck into who was actually responsible, the *NSW* *state* health minister, she is engaging in partisan party politics by attacking Scott Morrison instead.

The Ugly:
Not Kristina.
She is gorgeous. <sigh> :heart: :mrgreen:



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24 Mar 2020, 8:55 pm

sly279 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
sly279 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
This is going to be for a while. The tri-State area is the hotbed for COVID-19.


Most likely the total collapse of the economy will happen sooner.

So be it. We recovered from the Great Recession, multiple wars, 2008 recession, we’ll recover again just as the other nations doing lock downs will.

How about you stop panicking over the economy.

My Facebook is full of people who say “don’t panic over this virus” then panic over the economy


Yeah they have this frivolous need for a job to be able to pay for food and shelter. I know, ridiculous.

I take it you have no such need so meh on them?

We also recovered from the Spanish Flu people are so worried about covid-19 eventually someday possibly being like. That game plays both ways.


And people have this frivolous need to stay alive.
People are panicking over the economy and it’s irrational. Most companies will be fine, most people will return to their jobs, the economy will recover just as it always has.

The government has ensured people won’t lose their houses or food.
Two weeks isn’t a lot to ask for for f**k sake.

My work shut down today. I’m going have time file unemployment,
Do you even work?


I have already said many times that two weeks is reasonable.
Two weeks is not the concern.
It is the proposal of several weeks/months of shutdown that is causing concern.
There are those purposing a full shutdown quarantine lasting months.
That is what people are arguing against. Not 15 days but 115+ days.



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24 Mar 2020, 8:57 pm

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Teen climate activist Greta Thunberg said Tuesday that she’s been in self-isolation for two weeks after showing symptoms she believed were linked to the coronavirus, although admitted she was not tested for the disease.

The 17-year-old Thunberg said she’s “basically recovered” and detailed in an Instagram post how she came to the decision after returning from a trip around Central Europe, where COVID-19 cases have continued to surge.

“Around 10 days ago I started feeling some symptoms, exactly the same time as my father – who traveled with me from Brussels,” she said. “I was feeling tired, had shivers, a sore throat and coughed.”

Thunberg said her father's symptoms were "much more intense" and he had a fever.

In her native Sweden, where she also lives with her mother and sister, the teen said only those who need emergency medical treatment can get tested for the virus. All others are told to follow a self-isolation procedure and stay home.

“I have therefore not been tested for COVID-19, but it’s extremely likely that I’ve had it, given the combined symptoms and circumstances,” she said.

Source: Greta Thunberg believes she had coronavirus, self-isolated after showing symptoms



Greta wants to keep herself in the spotlight.



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It's reasonable to assume that the spread of coronavirus is likely causing a spike in horniness (just look at all these free sex toy offers). We're scared. We're trapped inside. We're lonely. We miss human touch. We need sweet, sexual release.


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So in an act of true due diligence, the New York City government released a guide to f*****g during the pandemic. And it comes bearing some truly iconic lines, while also delivering extremely pertinent safety information.

Shortly after it caught the attention of Twitter, though, the guidelines were removed from the government's website. At the time, NYC Department of Health Press Secretary Patrick Gallahue offered only that, "Our guidance is updated regularly and we are working on having it back up soon." As of 5:45 p.m. ET on Saturday, the document had returned, unchanged.


https://mashable.com/article/safe-sex-c ... -main-link



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24 Mar 2020, 9:37 pm

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Old sheets will go up in value.Be a run at thrift stores.You can make masks or use for toilet paper.


Thrift stores are closed in my town.



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24 Mar 2020, 9:59 pm

I went down another rabbit hole.

I thought that if it turns out that chloroquine is effective at treating COVID19 perhaps it might treat other coronaviruses. We have had two others coronavirus epidemics, SARS and MERS. The SARS epidemic lasted 6 months and is over. But the MERS coronavirus still periodically appears. So I thought I might search to see if chloroquine was ever tested against MERS as a treatment. That led to a 2014 study that was at the cell level which identified four existing compounds that were effective against MERS coronavirus and one of these was chloroquine.

The abstract of the paper reads:
Coronaviruses can cause respiratory and enteric disease in a wide variety of human and animal hosts. The 2003 outbreak of severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) first demonstrated the potentially lethal consequences of zoonotic coronavirus infections in humans. In 2012, a similar previously unknown coronavirus emerged, Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus (MERS-CoV), thus far causing over 650 laboratory-confirmed infections, with an unexplained steep rise in the number of cases being recorded over recent months. The human MERS fatality rate of ∼ 30% is alarmingly high, even though many deaths were associated with underlying medical conditions. Registered therapeutics for the treatment of coronavirus infections are not available. Moreover, the pace of drug development and registration for human use is generally incompatible with strategies to combat emerging infectious diseases. Therefore, we have screened a library of 348 FDA-approved drugs for anti-MERS-CoV activity in cell culture. If such compounds proved sufficiently potent, their efficacy might be directly assessed in MERS patients. We identified four compounds (chloroquine, chlorpromazine, loperamide, and lopinavir) inhibiting MERS-CoV replication in the low-micromolar range (50% effective concentrations [EC(50)s], 3 to 8 μM). Moreover, these compounds also inhibit the replication of SARS coronavirus and human coronavirus 229E. Although their protective activity (alone or in combination) remains to be assessed in animal models, our findings may offer a starting point for treatment of patients infected with zoonotic coronaviruses like MERS-CoV. Although they may not necessarily reduce viral replication to very low levels, a moderate viral load reduction may create a window during which to mount a protective immune response.

Source: Screening of an FDA-approved compound library identifies four small-molecule inhibitors of Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus replication in cell culture. Antimicrob Agents Chemother. 2014 Aug;58(8):4875-84. doi: 10.1128/AAC.03011-14. Epub 2014 May 19.


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