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25 Mar 2020, 10:33 am

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Jimmy, a one easy way to know whether a mask is effective or not: put the mask on, turn on a lighter in front of you, and try to blow hard on it.

If you extinguish it then that mask is no good.

It depends. If the mask is for going to supermarket to do shopping, that's enough.

I need to repeat, again and again, the purpose of wearing a mask. For the general public: the main purpose of a mask is to prevent you from touching your face with your fingers. This is especially true when you go out to do shopping, if you drive your own car.

In the USA, if you go out to a grocery store to do shopping, and wear an N95 face mask, you might think you are smarter than other people that wear simple paper-towel or fabric masks.

But you are not smarter. You are being an irresponsible citizen. Why? There is a shortage of N95 face masks in New York City hospitals. You should donate your N95 mask to New York City hospitals, for the doctors and nurses that need these masks when they treat COVID-19 patients, instead of wasting it on a grocery shopping run, where you really have no need for an N95 mask.

If you take a crowded public transportation vehicle (including an airplane), then it's justifiable to use a surgical mask (or a multiple-layer homemade mask), plus hand sanitizer. You really still don't have a need to wear an N95 mask.

Save the N95 masks for front-line medical professionals. They need those masks (and face shields).

Several cities in the USA are considering sending people back to work. When that happens, you cannot ask people to wear high-grade commercial masks. Every single high-grade mask worn by the general public, means one less mask available to the healthcare workers. Be an independent thinker. Think about your true needs, and keep your healthcare workers in mind.

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The homemade masks shipped to hospitals are most likely to be used for non-respiratory-care medical professionals. And it makes sense there to make sure that they are multi-layer, and better than the ones you would use to make a grocery shopping run.

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25 Mar 2020, 10:41 am

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IsabellaLinton wrote:

omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg

My nephew has tested positive for COVID-19 in Australia, 10 hours before his flight home.

He can't come home.

He is very ill. His travel insurance won't even cover it.

Someone please help me not go insane.

I am so very sorry.

I have to tell my brother and my mother now. How???

You can do it ,you are good with words.You are a kind and gentle person.I think the words will come out all on their own.You can comfort each other.

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25 Mar 2020, 10:56 am

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Woo hoo! The government cranking out money it doesn't have.

It does it all the time in the billions for 'foreign military aid' which essentially serves (intentionally) to extend conflicts and fund state sponsored terrorism. You can look it up.

This is more important.

I don't need to look it up. Good point. And I know it's important.

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25 Mar 2020, 11:11 am

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I am sorry to hear this. My first thought was what is the status of using hydroxychloroquine in Australia to treat the coronavirus? If he has tested positive and is very seriously ill, he may be given the option to try this experimental treatment. I came across the following article. Australian doctors warned off after prescribing potentially deadly Covid-19 trial drug to themselves

So it looks like in Australia, the government is clamping down on letting general practitioners prescribe this drug. The TGA has placed tight new restrictions on doctors who are authorised to write new prescriptions for the drug, limiting it to a small group of clinical specialties. The Pharmaceutical Society of Australia wrote to members urging them to “refuse the dispensing of hydroxychloroquine if there is not a genuine need”. But in your nephew's case, he is a confirmed COVID19 patient and in serious condition. He has a general need. Therefore I think that experimental drug is an option but he may have to fight to get this protocol. And there is no guarantees. Anyways he should become well informed about this option. He should read up on it so he can make an informed decision of whether he desires to use it. Does your nephew fall into the [Risk groups: age > 65 years AND/OR underlying end organ dysfunction (lung, heart, liver,...), diabetes, coronaropathy, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, arterial hypertension]. If so any medical staff treating him should be made aware of this fact. It should move him higher up the queue for treatment theoretically.

If he is a U.S. citizen, you may want to work with the State Department in order to bring him home so that he could be placed in quarantine here and treated in the U.S.

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25 Mar 2020, 11:19 am

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******** Caution***** Warning*****Caution*****Warning******

She told me that in the news this morning there was an article about people becoming infected at Amazon plants.

I looked it up and found the following article from NPR news: Workers In 8 Amazon Warehouses Test Positive For Coronavirus

Workers in at least eight Amazon warehouses across the country have tested positive for coronavirus, just as the e-commerce giant ramps up hiring to meet surging online sales.

In recent days, warehouse workers at two separate sites in New York City, in Staten Island and Queens, in addition to employees at warehouses in Jacksonville, Fla., Oklahoma City, Brownstown, Mich., Katy, Tex., Wallingford, Conn. and Shepherdsville, Ky., have tested positive for COVID-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus, according to media reports and Amazon officials.

Why is this of concern. Well we are operating under the assumption that items being shipped from coronavirus hot spots (such as China) will be virus free by the time we received the package. This is because the life of the virus is short. But maybe this will not be a good assumption. But if that assumption is false, then workers at Amazon will become infected with the coronavirus. Now some of the items being shipped are traveling directly from the manufacture/distributer directly to the customers scattered around the world. Therefore in a few days I will receive a package from China and I need to plan for it. Now I am not one to put my hands up in the air and wave them about screaming - Oh Noooooooo! What am I to do? [I only save that for a shortage of marshmallow peeps]. It is just that I need a plan. But it has to be a better plan than most because this elastic will be used to make face mask that will be distributed to health care workers and hospital patients. And the last persons I wish to infect are the people on the front lines of this pandemic.

So this is the plan I formulated. When the package arrives I will retrieve it wearing gloves. I will not bring it into the house. Instead I will leave it outside. I will unpack it outside and immediately dispose of the box and packing material. Then I will expose the contents (spool of elastic) to the sun for several hours. The UV rays of the sun is a natural disinfectant. But because of the intended use of the elastic, I felt a need to go one step further and chemically disinfect the elastic. So I will place some 91% Isopropyl alcohol in a small bowl and run the entire spool of elastic through the bowl and then let it air dry in the sun. [I gave this a quick test on a piece of scrap elastic and the approach looked good.]

The UV rays of the sun are a natural disinfectant, but not really a great one because most of the UV-C rays in the spectrum are filtered out by the atmosphere before they reach the surface of the planet. They are feeble rays. It would be better if I had a UV-C sanitizer to disinfect items. Some hospitals have begun using UV-emitting machines to disinfect rooms. It looks like someone is making small versions of sanitizer boxes. For example "Beutii Professional UV Sterilizer Box With Ozone Sanitizing for Baby, Cell Phone, Beauty Tools, Underwear, Nail Salon, Equipment, Eyeglasses, Jewelry". It has an 8 minute disinfectant cycle. Since due to the shortage of face mask, doctors and nurses are being forced to reuse their mask, this might be a good product to sterilize them before reuse.

This is a catch 22 situation due to “porch pouchers”, people who steal your items right off your porch. Deliveries just sitting there are the easiest target for a thief. I bring it in using gloves, wash my hands, and do not open the box for 24 hours which is the time the virus supposedly lives on cardboard. I am resigning myself considering I live in the NY area that I have or will have it at some point. Even if the box is safe the items inside might be infected. The floor the box rests might get infected. Hopefully if the product was seeded the virus has died out by the time I open it, but that is far from a guarantee. Unless you truly prepped correctly before there is no foolproof way of protecting yourself at this point. A correct prep requires enough room, enough money, willpower, and knowhow to do, a combination most people do not have.

I am not saying screw it and give up. You can still delay getting it and if you are good enough and lucky enough avoid it by keeping it away until after the pandemic is over.

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25 Mar 2020, 11:25 am

eikonabridge wrote:

There is a shortage of N95 face masks in New York City hospitals. You should donate your N95 mask to New York City hospitals, for the doctors and nurses that need these masks when they treat COVID-19 patients, instead of wasting it on a grocery shopping run, where you really have no need for an N95 mask.

That is my decision to make. In general, I believe everyone in the U.S. (every single person) should have stored a few N95's away in the event of a pandemic. I did, around 10 years ago. But I failed to store them properly. Even though externally they appear fine. They were very mildewed. I have as a result tried to treat them to make them reusable (a few drops of tea tree oil and sunlight sanitation in the open air) and I think they are finally wearable. But not to the quality standards of a hospital. Most likely they would throw them away in the trash. So I will continue to use mine during this pandemic as I wish. It is my choice.

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25 Mar 2020, 11:32 am

Basically just think that everyone and everything outside your home has been dipped in poo.
It’s nasty, don’t touch.
Must sterilize.
Sterilize the intruder.

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25 Mar 2020, 11:34 am

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He has no medical coverage for COVID treatment in Australia. His travel insurance covers everything except COVID. He has been there since October and just renewed his health insurance because he reached the six month expiry. When he renewed they wouldn't allow COVID treatment on the plan. As of now he does not need a ventilator. I have a few months worth of Plaquenil (Hydrochloroquine) here at home that I could send to him if our GP approves it. I have it here for Lupus treatment. Perhaps our GP could also order him a prescription in his own name and I could send it to him.

His airline ticket was fully refunded (thank God), and he has a place to stay on quarantine but he has a high fever and is quite ill with a racking cough. I told my brother (his adoptive dad), and we are figuring out next steps. We aren't American and he is not an American citizen, but we will look into government programs which might help us in this situation.

Thank you so much Jimmy. He is like a son to me, and this is very hard to accept.

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25 Mar 2020, 11:39 am

To combat the coronavirus threat, I feel that it requires a combination of professional medical treatment and home remedies. Several days ago I discussed one of these remedies - essential oils.

I received an email today from one of the essential oil suppliers "Bulk Apothecary" which shows that there is currently a run on their supplies. This is text of the email:

We are horribly sorry for the delays. We realize that we are taking a long time to ship orders. Please understand that a normal shipping day for us is about 2,000 orders. As a result of the pandemic, we have seen daily order volume peak to almost 25,000 orders in a single day with no warning and the increased order flow has lasted for weeks. We are currently seeing unprecedented increases in demand. We are doing our very best to update our processing times on the website but this has also been very challenging to get right. Right now we are seeing roughly 2-week delays but in some cases, it is a few days more than that. In addition to a massive spike in orders that we have never experienced, we are also seeing elevated employee call-offs on a daily basis. Lately, we don’t know how many employees we are going to have show up to work until the day of which makes planning very difficult. We are located in the State of Ohio and right now we are on a “stay at home order” by our Governor. As an essential business, we are allowed to continue operating but this is causing employees to be overly cautious. This is great but makes getting orders out any quicker incredibly challenging. We are doing our very best to get caught up but are asking all of our customers to be patient. We can assure you that as soon as we are caught up we will fix any and ALL mistakes. We would also like to assure everyone that we do have plenty of Hand Sanitizer in the pipeline. This is not a shortage of product. We simply can’t process and ship the orders as fast as we normally can due to unpredictable staffing levels during this uncertain time.

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25 Mar 2020, 11:51 am

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... e-in-study

"Hydroxychloroquine, a medicine for malaria that President Donald Trump has touted as a treatment for coronavirus, was no more effective than conventional care, a small study found.

The report published by the Journal of Zhejiang University in China showed that patients who got the medicine didn’t fight off the new coronavirus more often than those who did not get the medicine.

The researchers concluded that additional studies using larger numbers of patients are needed to fully investigate the drug’s risks and benefits."

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25 Mar 2020, 11:52 am

IsabellaLinton wrote:

In the short term you might try home remedies. I discussed several of these in this thread. For example drinking a Hot Toddy every now and then when his throat is raw. Using essential oils. If your brother could track down an air filter with a UVC sanitizer built in and place it next to his bed, it would help to keep the viral load down. If he could find a scarf made from bamboo material and wrap it around his mouth and nose while he sleeps it might help prevent him from picking up a bacterial infection, which is really dangerous for him. Make sure the humidity level in his room is maintained between 40 and 60 percent RH. That will also give him some relief.

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25 Mar 2020, 11:58 am

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Thank you. My brother is here, not in Australia. My nephew has been there on his own since autumn.

I will pass on all this info directly to my nephew, who unfortunately is alone to self-care while in quarantine.

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25 Mar 2020, 12:38 pm

Politicians and celebrities are at greater risk of contracting COVID19 because they come in physical contact with a great number of people. There was an article in the news today that listed many of the politicians around the world that have contracted this disease.
Which world leaders, US politicians have tested positive or been exposed to the coronavirus?

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25 Mar 2020, 12:40 pm

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That was my first though when I heard Tom Hanks contracted it.

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25 Mar 2020, 12:54 pm

Here’s my experience from taking my six year old in yesterday (we are in southwest Virginia):

-Only one entrance in to medical center/hospital complex
-Screeners at the door had a list of symptoms, gave a mask to me and my son based on our answers-they didn’t ask my husband to wear one
-front desk at pediatricians had more in depth questions about my son only
-we were at one of two hospital systems in this area. All Coronavirus patients are at one of the other companies hospital buildings. This hospital/med center we were at was nearly empty. Notably absent were maybe 50% of the doctors and nurses.
-I only saw elderly and infant patients. My son was the only child patient I saw.

-they did a chest X-ray for him on the spot. Asked if he has allergies or asthma.
-he has inflamed bronchioles, which is normally called “bronchitis”, but the dr never said he had bronchitis.
-said he needs prednisone and an increased dose of allergy medication each day.
-we did not directly ask about Coronavirus. They are not testing here unless you have direct contact with a confirmed case.
-the whole thing took about two hours, cost about $100 after insurance, counting the prescription.

My husband went back to work today. My son has almost completely stopped coughing already. So far so good.

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25 Mar 2020, 12:56 pm

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKBN21C1KK

U.S. companies, labs rush to produce blood test for coronavirus immunity

"Several academic laboratories and medical companies are rushing to produce these blood tests, which can quickly identify disease-fighting antibodies in people who already have been infected but may have had mild symptoms or none at all. This is different from the current, sometimes hard-to-come-by diagnostic tests that draw on a nasal swab to confirm active infection.

Antibody tests won’t face the same bureaucratic hurdles diagnostic testing initially did. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration relaxed its rules last month, and body-fluid tests can proceed to market without full agency review and approval.

Such tests are relatively inexpensive and simple, usually using blood from a finger prick. Some can produce results in 10 to 15 minutes. That could make ramping up screening much easier than for diagnostic tests."

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