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20 Aug 2010, 7:16 am

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I don't see the problem at all with chemical castration for men or teen boys with Asperger or Autism. After all, almost no men with Asperger ever get girlfriends or have sex.

thats fine if it was adults chooseing for themselves, but its not, its parents chooseing for their kids.

I agree with you about your attitude to not likeing haveing a sex drive though. I think more research needs to be done in drugs which remove sex drive, as I think it makes life very uncomfortable for single people of both genders. I expect there would be enough people who wanted it for pharmacuticals to make a profit.



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20 Aug 2010, 7:31 am

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Interesting that they focus treatment on guys. What about girls? Isn't there an anti-estrogen therapy available? This smacks of gender bias.


Girls and with Asperger are rarely interested only in a casual relationship or one-night-stands, like most Aspie men and boys are.
They want to be normal, they want friends, a boyfriend and kids. Men just wants sex.


Not true for me but yeah I got trust issues with guys. I wouldn't mind a casual encounter if I wasn't those women who "asked for it" which happened to me in my last "casual" affair.


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20 Aug 2010, 9:51 am

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I don't see the problem at all with chemical castration for men or teen boys with Asperger or Autism. After all, almost no men with Asperger ever get girlfriends or have sex.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


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22 Aug 2010, 2:20 pm

Lonermutant wrote:
I don't see the problem at all with chemical castration for men or teen boys with Asperger or Autism. After all, almost no men with Asperger ever get girlfriends or have sex.


I strongly disagree, while some people with AS might be asexual not all are. Many people with AS have normal healthy sex lives and urges ! It might creep out the "normals" to think that the disabled and those who are neurologically different want to have GFs, BFs, wifes, husbands, sex, kids etc but if they can not cope with the thought of disabled or non-NT people haivng sex then tough !

From what I have seen in the AS community since I accepted the idea that I could have a form of autism (and that it is OK to have it) that differences from the "norm" are more visisble in the autistic community. When I talk about the norm what I mean is the mean value for some parameter which is subject to variation on an axis. For things with a gaussian distribution it is easy, anything which is more than about 2 standard devs away from the mean is "not normal". It might be outside the range where the majority are found but it must never be used as the basis for a moral judgement.

I am a red blooded heterosexual man who has "normal" sexual interests but I accept that many men and women are not heterosexual (or they are heterosexuals who want werid sex). I think that Alex Comfort hit the nail on the head when he joked that many authors of books on sex defined "perverted" as a form of sex which they did not enjoy ! Just becuase something is not enjoyable for me or even disgusts me is not a good reason (when taken in isolation) for me to make a moral judgement against someone else doing it.


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22 Aug 2010, 3:04 pm

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http://www.sun-sentinel.com/health/fl-autism-treatment-20100803,0,601521,full.story


Jesus! I can't believe this crap 8O . The title of this thread is a bit misleading though. Apparently, the reason for giving the autistic boys Luprin is to lower the levels of mercury the system. Something that has never been proven to be a cause of autism and a myth that is completely false.



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22 Aug 2010, 6:34 pm

This isn't about sexual repression, this is about reducing high levels of testosterone towards normal levels. The high levels of testosterone is believed to be related to aggresive and violent behaviour, if that is so, it wouldn't be surprising that sexual harassments, molestation and even rape cases being a result from this or being more likely to happen from a teen or young man with the problem than one with a normal testosterone level.

The problem though, is the relation of testosterone with autism, which it doesn't seem to be the case, generally, but, your testosterone level can be measured anyway, right? I think the problem is mainly the particular drug and the reactions that could carry eventualy in a long term and supposedly being used only with high testosterone kids, if I'm not mistaken.


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22 Aug 2010, 7:03 pm

Lonermutant wrote:
I don't see the problem at all with chemical castration for men or teen boys with Asperger or Autism. After all, almost no men with Asperger ever get girlfriends or have sex.



Almost...



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23 Aug 2010, 4:09 am

Well if high testrone levels cause autism....then how do girls become autistic as well?? Hmmmm I see major faulty logic here. As for the mercury thing...still unproven. Sadly alot of untested drugs and procedures are done on kids because they have the parrent's consent. The kid never has a choice.


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23 Aug 2010, 11:16 am

I assume this is about kids who are severe because they don't have the cognitive ability to understand it's innaproppiate to touch themselves wrong in public.



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23 Aug 2010, 11:39 am

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Teenage boys are supposed to have high testosterone levels. If an autstic kid is high enough functioning to understand sex than they are high enough functioning to respond to behavior modification therapy. If their testosterone level is abnormally high, then I'm sure there must be some way to lower it a LITTLE.


This. Teenagers are horny, autistic or not. Oh no, I like sex too, better get me drugged up. Who cares if the treatment could damage my heart? It'll make me less horny! :roll:

Oh, and ignore Lonermutant's stupid posts, let the troll stamp his foot in the corner of the room...



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23 Aug 2010, 2:48 pm

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I assume this is about kids who are severe because they don't have the cognitive ability to understand it's innaproppiate to touch themselves wrong in public.


My read of the article suggests that it's about parents with a misguided belief about hormone therapy and mercury.


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23 Aug 2010, 5:16 pm

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I'd prefer doctors or even random strangers hand these boys a box of condoms & a book on healthy sexual habits (including masturbation) to this "treatment".


Totally agree. I'm unbelievably upset and extremely angry by this utterly unfounded and ludicrous proposal. My fiancee (male) has Asperger's as does one of my female friends, and they both cope with it in different ways. My friend has actually found a strict diet that works to help her lead a more normal life. Neither of them have any problems at all with having perfectly normal sex lives.

Drugs just aren't the answer, especially not to castrate kids while they're still developing! Sexual urges are a perfectly normal part of growing up, and all kids should be educated to this fact, and taught how to deal with it. I thought that was pretty f*****g obvious!! !

This whole thing just makes me rage and want to beat people into pulp! Behaviour is best altered permanently through education. Drugs are a temporary fix and usually cause much bigger problems. GAH!! !!

Apologies for ranting what is largely angry nonsense. It just really hurts me that people can be so utterly stupid and cruel :(



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23 Aug 2010, 5:24 pm

Lonermutant wrote:
Wogar wrote:
Interesting that they focus treatment on guys. What about girls? Isn't there an anti-estrogen therapy available? This smacks of gender bias.


Girls and with Asperger are rarely interested only in a casual relationship or one-night-stands, like most Aspie men and boys are.
They want to be normal, they want friends, a boyfriend and kids. Men just wants sex.


You sir, should be taken out the back and shot!! !

Of the two people I know best who have Asperger's, the female is more interested in the casual stuff and the male is far more interested in actual relationships.

People with asperger's are not some mutant race that should have a different set of rules! They are humans with less connections between the two halves of their brains than the average human has. This doesn't mean that they don't have personalities that are just as varied as in physically "normal" people. It simply means that using the two sides of the brain together often takes longer to process things than most people. As a result people with asperger's get angry at themselves for getting muddled up in their own thought processes, and angry at others for rushing them along. I'd get pretty f*****g violent too if people kept cutting me off when i only had half a sentence formed!

None of this indicates in any way that young males with asperger's are potentially rapists. Nor does it indicate in any way that young females with asperger's wouldn't want casual sex. Your claims are utterly unfounded and pretty much complete biased BS.

Do some f*****g research before you even try to respond. Remember that people with asperger's are all pretty normal human beings when they're given the time to think.



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23 Aug 2010, 5:29 pm

League_Girl wrote:
I assume this is about kids who are severe because they don't have the cognitive ability to understand it's innaproppiate to touch themselves wrong in public.


They do have the ability. They just need things to be explained in very clear, concise terms and then given the chance to ask questions until they understand fully. If you imagine teaching sex ed to a 3-year-old it's a little bit like that, except the more advanced language can still be used. It needs to be slow and concise, and given plenty of time to sink in properly.

If people with asperger's are taught in a way that they can learn then there's no reason for them to not be able to understand everything a "normal" person can understand.



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24 Aug 2010, 12:20 am

sacraficialangel7 wrote:
Lonermutant wrote:
Wogar wrote:
Interesting that they focus treatment on guys. What about girls? Isn't there an anti-estrogen therapy available? This smacks of gender bias.


Girls and with Asperger are rarely interested only in a casual relationship or one-night-stands, like most Aspie men and boys are.
They want to be normal, they want friends, a boyfriend and kids. Men just wants sex.


You sir, should be taken out the back and shot!! !

Of the two people I know best who have Asperger's, the female is more interested in the casual stuff and the male is far more interested in actual relationships.

People with asperger's are not some mutant race that should have a different set of rules! They are humans with less connections between the two halves of their brains than the average human has. This doesn't mean that they don't have personalities that are just as varied as in physically "normal" people. It simply means that using the two sides of the brain together often takes longer to process things than most people. As a result people with asperger's get angry at themselves for getting muddled up in their own thought processes, and angry at others for rushing them along. I'd get pretty f***ing violent too if people kept cutting me off when i only had half a sentence formed!

None of this indicates in any way that young males with asperger's are potentially rapists. Nor does it indicate in any way that young females with asperger's wouldn't want casual sex. Your claims are utterly unfounded and pretty much complete biased BS.

Do some f***ing research before you even try to respond. Remember that people with asperger's are all pretty normal human beings when they're given the time to think.


Then that female friend of yours is an anomaly.



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24 Aug 2010, 1:08 am

Lonermutant wrote:
sacraficialangel7 wrote:
Lonermutant wrote:
Wogar wrote:
Interesting that they focus treatment on guys. What about girls? Isn't there an anti-estrogen therapy available? This smacks of gender bias.


Girls and with Asperger are rarely interested only in a casual relationship or one-night-stands, like most Aspie men and boys are.
They want to be normal, they want friends, a boyfriend and kids. Men just wants sex.


You sir, should be taken out the back and shot!! !

Of the two people I know best who have Asperger's, the female is more interested in the casual stuff and the male is far more interested in actual relationships.

People with asperger's are not some mutant race that should have a different set of rules! They are humans with less connections between the two halves of their brains than the average human has. This doesn't mean that they don't have personalities that are just as varied as in physically "normal" people. It simply means that using the two sides of the brain together often takes longer to process things than most people. As a result people with asperger's get angry at themselves for getting muddled up in their own thought processes, and angry at others for rushing them along. I'd get pretty f***ing violent too if people kept cutting me off when i only had half a sentence formed!

None of this indicates in any way that young males with asperger's are potentially rapists. Nor does it indicate in any way that young females with asperger's wouldn't want casual sex. Your claims are utterly unfounded and pretty much complete biased BS.

Do some f***ing research before you even try to respond. Remember that people with asperger's are all pretty normal human beings when they're given the time to think.


Then that female friend of yours is an anomaly.


Or perhaps you've never known enough women to deviate from your sense of the "norm". I've known many women including an ex friend who go from one man to the next without attachments involved. Although I have to say, in some aspects you might be on the money but I think it's a little more complicated than your perception of women as being asexual. I for example am not looking for marriage or kids and that is not what attracts me to men.


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