being sued for objecting to sexually intrusive scans

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And finally, the real argument against these practices. So let's eliminate the hyperbole and get focussed on the real issue.

Also its not like plane-bombs or hijackings were ever THAT common. They happened, true, but not every day, and that's with the security we always had.

Now I just feel sick. I have to send my daughter through that thing because she will melt down if they do the pat-down. And her grandparents are far too far to drive (it would take days).

My proposal: if they absolutely insist that this is necessary then we should absolutely insist that no TSA agent ever be alone when looking at the scans. They should be completely visible to their coworkers and no desk partitions that hide the waist either.

I have a feeling that airlines will go downhill after all this. Trains will do much better. I'm not flying anymore and I have flown since I was a baby.

It just angers me how politicians, pilots, flight attendants don't need to go through pat downs or full body scan. If they are having other people do it, then make EVERYONE go through the same thing.

So I won't be traveling to visit family in Seattle till they change this stupid law. I often wonder about the full body scan. That is radiation. So what if people get some illness from it? What about people who bring their pets and the pets have to go through the scan? Something can happen to the pets too. No one is touching me. I can't even have a medical doctor touch me.
What about people who wear head coverings? Muslims, Hindis, Catholic nuns? Do they have to take them off too? Someone said on a website perhaps we should just go to the airport naked.

Does this mean we'll finally get some high speed rail around here? I had been putting my bets on jet packs coming first.

I did use Acela one time. Much more pleasant than an airline.

I feel the opposite way. Being very egalitarian about this so as to not be accused of profiling is just theater. Theater does not make us any safer. I think they should take it a step further and profile more. Suicide bombers don't bring kids so no doing this to kids. Also, suicide bombers are not elderly. Not ever. This is something that elderly people don't do. So stop doing this to the elderly. I would be in favor of upper and lower age cutoffs and profile by age.

If pilots and flight attendants want to destroy an airplane, they don't need a bomb to do it. Making them go through this just so other people won't feel bad is just theater. I think we need to move away from theater and stop doing things based on how they look and instead do things based on how well they will stop an actual bombing.

It's a bit more of a stretch with politicians but really, just some very reasonable profiling. If somebody has gotten elected to office then they are not trying to destroy the U.S. Their political opponents may say they are but really...it's just silly. Pretending as though a U.S. senator might plausibly bring a bomb on board a plane just so that the guy behind him in line won't feel so aggrieved is pure theater and makes nobody safer.

Just remember the United States gave the Nazis the idea to use racial hygenics to sterlize the unwanted population. The nazis just took it one step further.

Maybe you can be with her and hold her hand while they do the pat-down, after you've talked with them how sensitive she is? So they'd just do it very moderately. Maybe?

After all, they even save those images, despite claiming they "cannot" be saved, and they do indeed get leaked.

See here:
http://xenophilius.wordpress.com/2010/0 ... rt-leaked/

Also, it's definitely important to point out that while some of the nude scanners only take quite undetailed photos, others take photos with very high detail.

I am sure they will bacause people will not put up with this.
BTW...as long as they have rapescan and goverment sponsered molestations, I wont fly again either....If I do it is by a broom...jk

here is a link to what ACLU has to say about what people are reporting
http://www.aclu.org/technology-and-libe ... y-measures

here is a link about the fact that TSA has no training in doing this and probably will not either
http://www.aclu.org/blog/technology-and ... -screeners

A really disturbing article on what happens at the airport. Some have reported that they were punnished with an agressive pat down for talking back to the TSA agant...even if they done the body scan.
http://www.aclu.org/technology-and-libe ... a-pat-down

For those who say this is just a matter of security, I say, go try it out for yourself.

I know someone who travels overseas a lot to Middle East and Asia. Going through security from overseas to US is so simple and the security line goes by fast. NO pat downs overseas, just in the US. This person that I know is a business traveler and he thinks that the pat down here in the US is just stupid. To touch children or even elderly people is just insane. He thinks that TSA in the US should go to overseas airports and see how TSA there do it.

I don't agree to your argument on this one. I don't think it really applies to the topic. We are talking about flying, not what goes on in a private residence. At my home, I am responsible for my safety and the safety of my family. I can decide if I want to add extra locks to my doors, bar my windows, use a home security/monitoring system or keep a gun if I feel it necessary. I can also choose to not do any of these things. If I choose to buy a home and make it my own, I can decide what I want to do with it. It would be my own property; my own private residence. I don't agree that government surveillance of someone's home would be a safety measure and I don't feel it necessary.

It's the same as with my car. I wear seatbelts. I make sure my son is properly in his booster seat with his belt on. If a friend asked me to give them a ride somewhere and I agreed, then they got in my car and didn't buckle up, I would ask them to do so. If they refused, I could easily tell them I’m not going to give them a ride. At that point, I would feel that this is my car and I am the one driving it. It is my responsibility to ensure the safety of everyone in the car. If they refused to put their belt on after I told them they must do so in order for me to give them a ride, I would refuse to take them. Plain and simple: my car, my rules. If you don't like it, you don't have to drive with me.

I think this is the same type of thing that is going on with the airports. They are trying to ensure the safety of all airport employees and passengers; however I agree that the way things are currently going could use some revision.

When it comes to airport security, I’m not saying "Yes, this is definitely the way to do things! No changes needed. Make this permanent." I'm just saying that I personally do not feel that it is as extreme as some people think. Have any of you ever gone to a concert or big festival? Well, I have been to many. They don't do body scans, but they sometimes do pat downs. That is what most of these clips I see on the news channels about the airport security checks remind me of. Nothing perverted, no groping. And I have yet to see anyone being told to strip down naked while someone snapped pictures and poked and prodded their nude bodies.

I am not an argumentative person and I am not trying to void anyone else's opinion of these scans, I am just stating how I feel. If you disagree, that's perfectly fine.

Check out the links I posted... abuses by the TSA are pouring in according to the ACLU.

No trips on planes for me. I'm going to New England states next year instead of doing the Denver/Seattle trip I had planned.

Flying tomorrow morning. Quite prepared for scanning, should it be required of me.

Are you flying to the States or you have the same rules in Canada? (If you don't mind me asking)