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20 Feb 2011, 2:24 pm

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I live in the south, and you would not believe how many ppl here believe in the end times, the literal translation of the book of revelations, the anti-christ is among us and ammorgeddon , These are the same ppl who say the “south is gunna rise again” like a southern mantra.
These ppl, believe Beck like a small town prophet and he uses ppl like this for his agenda


That is indeed scary.

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I also, live in the South, and these beliefs do thrive here, particularly among those that struggle the most in life. Some of them complain that they can't afford to see a Doctor, and have chronic untreated illnesses that limit their ability to work, but Beck and others have them convinced that "obamacare" will be the certain downfall of America.

Some are also ready with their guns in case someone comes to put them in detainment camps. Add in the anti-christ and armeggedon to the equation and it is no wonder that some of the people in the country don't have the energy and/or health left to find and keep a job. After all, what's the use if it is the end of days. It is not likely that Beck and others like him, are having a positive effect on the country.


Difference between them and the nut in Iran is, the people in the south don't want armeggedon to come about they're just preparing for it because they believe it is going to be soon; the mental cases in Iran think they can bring about armeggedon and are trying to actually cause it to happen.


Anytime there is unrest in the middle east many of the people that hold a belief about armeggedon and prophecy start to think okay this might be the start of something really big. Beck is making it a little bigger that it is, in terms of adding Wisonconsin into the equation, but without Beck people would still be thinking these kind of things.

The real concern I see for our country is the speculation about detainment camps, Government Control, etc. Armeggedon is enough for them to be worried about without anyone reinforcing the idea that the Government is out to get them. There are many talkshow players in this, and there are nuts cases in this country like there is in every other country that don't need a whole lot of reason to cause problems.

I recently saw a headline from Rush Limbough that had words to the effect of going Egypt if the mandate wasn't repealed. I can't think of anything that Beck has said that is as disconcerting as that. We have a pretty equitable process in the judicial system that should be able to resolve the constitutionality of the issue.

The Fox network is like Gospel to many people; it is also the sole source of news for many of these people. I don't think nearly as many people would be paying attention to Beck if all he had was a radio show.

He admits that he is impulsive and says things in a joking manner that people find offensive; doesn't happen nearly as much on Fox as it does when he speaks on other media outlets. He can't afford to lose too much credibility because it could be seen as a reflection on the FOX news channel.

Olbermann had the top rated show on MSNBC, but popularity doesn't guarantee anything if you say the wrong things to the wrong people. Two quick examples come to mind, Rick Sanchez and Juan Williams.



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20 Feb 2011, 2:31 pm

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If the right views the orthodox rules of Christianity as the standard. Then any movement against the orthodoxy must be anti-christ in their view. Super conservatives are only good at conserving. Imagine if we kept the laws of the medival times.


Excuse me, but even the guy that took over Iran after the Shah was overthrown thought this group was insane. I think that's a pretty good indication they are nuts.


Your bashing Christians for absolutely no reason makes you look like an idiot tbh.


Umm... strawman? I have no idea what you are talking about.



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20 Feb 2011, 3:34 pm

Again, scary. I have to admit, living in Washington (the state in the Pacific Northwest, not D.C.), while I'll occasionally come across people that hold such outlandish beliefs, they are a distinct minority. Next door in Idaho, it's a somewhat different situation. There, religious fundamentalists make up a bigger part of the population, and arguably, their politics reflect this. At one time, the north Idaho panhandle had once been a pro-labor, Democratic bastion. Now, all of Idaho is a so-called "Right To Work" state, and has been a magnet for white nationalists. Most famously, there was the Aryan Nations hate group that had been for years virtually right across from my home in Spokane Valley, WA. As well, you had the Weaver family moving there years ago, when the crazy wife and mother, Vicki (who can be described as an evangelical Christian, believing in the end times, and the rapture), claimed to have had a vision that they only would be safe in the mountains in the west when the Apocalypse came. The father and husband, Randy, got involved with the Aryan Nations, then found himself compromised with the feds after he tried selling a sawed off shot gun to an undercover officer. He was asked to become an informant, but then was tossed out by the Aryans, because he was caught having a beer in the compound. When he went to his court date for the gun charge, it turned out the date was wrong - so Randy decided he didn't need to arrange a new date, and just went home. Because Randy had lied about being in special forces in Vietnam, local law enforcement was afraid to apprehend him. So the ATF was sent in. Randy's son, who neighbors described as being raised as "a little neo-nazi soldier," fired on the agents, he was shot dead. A sniper, hoping to pop Randy, or a male friend living with them, accidentally shot Vicki, when she walked into the line of fire at the last second. All this time, many local people had gathered to scream "baby killer" at the ATF, or complained this wouldn't be happening if the Weavers were black. In the end, after the Weavers surrendered, Randy served a light prison sentence, and he and his daughters were awarded huge amounts of money by the civil court.
As my late mother once commented, "Idaho is a strange state."
Seems as if the Beck Fans in other parts of the country can be added to the list.

-Bill, otherwise known for Kraichgauer



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20 Feb 2011, 3:54 pm

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Again, scary. I have to admit, living in Washington (the state in the Pacific Northwest, not D.C.), while I'll occasionally come across people that hold such outlandish beliefs, they are a distinct minority. Next door in Idaho, it's a somewhat different situation. There, religious fundamentalists make up a bigger part of the population, and arguably, their politics reflect this. At one time, the north Idaho panhandle had once been a pro-labor, Democratic bastion. Now, all of Idaho is a so-called "Right To Work" state, and has been a magnet for white nationalists. Most famously, there was the Aryan Nations hate group that had been for years virtually right across from my home in Spokane Valley, WA. As well, you had the Weaver family moving there years ago, when the crazy wife and mother, Vicki (who can be described as an evangelical Christian, believing in the end times, and the rapture), claimed to have had a vision that they only would be safe in the mountains in the west when the Apocalypse came. The father and husband, Randy, got involved with the Aryan Nations, then found himself compromised with the feds after he tried selling a sawed off shot gun to an undercover officer. He was asked to become an informant, but then was tossed out by the Aryans, because he was caught having a beer in the compound. When he went to his court date for the gun charge, it turned out the date was wrong - so Randy decided he didn't need to arrange a new date, and just went home. Because Randy had lied about being in special forces in Vietnam, local law enforcement was afraid to apprehend him. So the ATF was sent in. Randy's son, who neighbors described as being raised as "a little neo-nazi soldier," fired on the agents, he was shot dead. A sniper, hoping to pop Randy, or a male friend living with them, accidentally shot Vicki, when she walked into the line of fire at the last second. All this time, many local people had gathered to scream "baby killer" at the ATF, or complained this wouldn't be happening if the Weavers were black. In the end, after the Weavers surrendered, Randy served a light prison sentence, and he and his daughters were awarded huge amounts of money by the civil court.
As my late mother once commented, "Idaho is a strange state."
Seems as if the Beck Fans in other parts of the country can be added to the list.

-Bill, otherwise known for Kraichgauer


Do you think that Limbough's statement is any reflection of what could actually happen in the country if the mandate isn't repealed? Obviously, people are upset about it, but if the Supreme Court were to rule it mandatory, I think that people that hated it could keep a hope that it would be repealed with a new president. I could see some more tea party demonstrations, but nothing more.

Who do you think is more outrageous Limbough or Beck? I personally think Limbough might be saying things like this to compete for attention with Beck. I think Beck has taken some of Rush's audience away from him. Rush seems to take himself more seriously than Beck.



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20 Feb 2011, 4:56 pm

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Again, scary. I have to admit, living in Washington (the state in the Pacific Northwest, not D.C.), while I'll occasionally come across people that hold such outlandish beliefs, they are a distinct minority. Next door in Idaho, it's a somewhat different situation. There, religious fundamentalists make up a bigger part of the population, and arguably, their politics reflect this. At one time, the north Idaho panhandle had once been a pro-labor, Democratic bastion. Now, all of Idaho is a so-called "Right To Work" state, and has been a magnet for white nationalists. Most famously, there was the Aryan Nations hate group that had been for years virtually right across from my home in Spokane Valley, WA. As well, you had the Weaver family moving there years ago, when the crazy wife and mother, Vicki (who can be described as an evangelical Christian, believing in the end times, and the rapture), claimed to have had a vision that they only would be safe in the mountains in the west when the Apocalypse came. The father and husband, Randy, got involved with the Aryan Nations, then found himself compromised with the feds after he tried selling a sawed off shot gun to an undercover officer. He was asked to become an informant, but then was tossed out by the Aryans, because he was caught having a beer in the compound. When he went to his court date for the gun charge, it turned out the date was wrong - so Randy decided he didn't need to arrange a new date, and just went home. Because Randy had lied about being in special forces in Vietnam, local law enforcement was afraid to apprehend him. So the ATF was sent in. Randy's son, who neighbors described as being raised as "a little neo-nazi soldier," fired on the agents, he was shot dead. A sniper, hoping to pop Randy, or a male friend living with them, accidentally shot Vicki, when she walked into the line of fire at the last second. All this time, many local people had gathered to scream "baby killer" at the ATF, or complained this wouldn't be happening if the Weavers were black. In the end, after the Weavers surrendered, Randy served a light prison sentence, and he and his daughters were awarded huge amounts of money by the civil court.
As my late mother once commented, "Idaho is a strange state."
Seems as if the Beck Fans in other parts of the country can be added to the list.

-Bill, otherwise known for Kraichgauer


Do you think that Limbough's statement is any reflection of what could actually happen in the country if the mandate isn't repealed? Obviously, people are upset about it, but if the Supreme Court were to rule it mandatory, I think that people that hated it could keep a hope that it would be repealed with a new president. I could see some more tea party demonstrations, but nothing more.

Who do you think is more outrageous Limbough or Beck? I personally think Limbough might be saying things like this to compete for attention with Beck. I think Beck has taken some of Rush's audience away from him. Rush seems to take himself more seriously than Beck.


I don't put any stock in what Limbaugh says. And yes, I do think he's competing with Beck, trying to out crazy each other. And yes, I think Limbaugh takes himself more seriously than Beck - but they both say things they know as outlandish, utterly without a care to how dangerous their words can be.
AS far as Republicans hoping a conservative president following Obama will undo his work; of course. But you know, like social security and medicare, eventually people become so used to it, regardless of what side of the aisle their on, that they couldn't conceive of life without it.

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20 Feb 2011, 5:51 pm

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Again, scary. I have to admit, living in Washington (the state in the Pacific Northwest, not D.C.), while I'll occasionally come across people that hold such outlandish beliefs, they are a distinct minority. Next door in Idaho, it's a somewhat different situation. There, religious fundamentalists make up a bigger part of the population, and arguably, their politics reflect this. At one time, the north Idaho panhandle had once been a pro-labor, Democratic bastion. Now, all of Idaho is a so-called "Right To Work" state, and has been a magnet for white nationalists. Most famously, there was the Aryan Nations hate group that had been for years virtually right across from my home in Spokane Valley, WA. As well, you had the Weaver family moving there years ago, when the crazy wife and mother, Vicki (who can be described as an evangelical Christian, believing in the end times, and the rapture), claimed to have had a vision that they only would be safe in the mountains in the west when the Apocalypse came. The father and husband, Randy, got involved with the Aryan Nations, then found himself compromised with the feds after he tried selling a sawed off shot gun to an undercover officer. He was asked to become an informant, but then was tossed out by the Aryans, because he was caught having a beer in the compound. When he went to his court date for the gun charge, it turned out the date was wrong - so Randy decided he didn't need to arrange a new date, and just went home. Because Randy had lied about being in special forces in Vietnam, local law enforcement was afraid to apprehend him. So the ATF was sent in. Randy's son, who neighbors described as being raised as "a little neo-nazi soldier," fired on the agents, he was shot dead. A sniper, hoping to pop Randy, or a male friend living with them, accidentally shot Vicki, when she walked into the line of fire at the last second. All this time, many local people had gathered to scream "baby killer" at the ATF, or complained this wouldn't be happening if the Weavers were black. In the end, after the Weavers surrendered, Randy served a light prison sentence, and he and his daughters were awarded huge amounts of money by the civil court.
As my late mother once commented, "Idaho is a strange state."
Seems as if the Beck Fans in other parts of the country can be added to the list.

-Bill, otherwise known for Kraichgauer


Do you think that Limbough's statement is any reflection of what could actually happen in the country if the mandate isn't repealed? Obviously, people are upset about it, but if the Supreme Court were to rule it mandatory, I think that people that hated it could keep a hope that it would be repealed with a new president. I could see some more tea party demonstrations, but nothing more.

Who do you think is more outrageous Limbough or Beck? I personally think Limbough might be saying things like this to compete for attention with Beck. I think Beck has taken some of Rush's audience away from him. Rush seems to take himself more seriously than Beck.


Actually, I could see the states calling a Constitutional Convention to specifically overturn Obamacare and ensure no individual mandate legislation is ever allowed again. It was the majority of the states sueing the Federal Government over Obamacare.



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20 Feb 2011, 7:20 pm

A majority of states?

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20 Feb 2011, 7:56 pm

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A majority of states?

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The Florida lawsuit alone in which the Federal Judge ruled Obamacare unconsitutional, had 26 states as plaintiffs.

The Virginia lawsuit which the Judge ruled the individual mandate is unconstitutional had the state of Virginia as plantiff.

I think there are some other states that have their own lawsuits.

That's 27 states not counting any others that may have lawsuits going on. There are only 50 states in the United States, so that is a majority of the states, maybe not enough for a Constitutional Convention, but it is getting pretty close to the number needed.



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20 Feb 2011, 8:27 pm

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A majority of states?

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The Florida lawsuit alone in which the Federal Judge ruled Obamacare unconsitutional, had 26 states as plaintiffs.

The Virginia lawsuit which the Judge ruled the individual mandate is unconstitutional had the state of Virginia as plantiff.

I think there are some other states that have their own lawsuits.

That's 27 states not counting any others that may have lawsuits going on. There are only 50 states in the United States, so that is a majority of the states, maybe not enough for a Constitutional Convention, but it is getting pretty close to the number needed.


I happen to know one of those states is my own state of Washington. Here, the Republican attorney general decided to sue the federal government over health care - without the governor's consent. It is fair to say, this state AG doesn't represent most Washingtonians (who voted overwhelmingly for Obama), not does he have the support or confidence of our governor, Christine Gregoir.

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20 Feb 2011, 8:32 pm

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A majority of states?

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The Florida lawsuit alone in which the Federal Judge ruled Obamacare unconsitutional, had 26 states as plaintiffs.

The Virginia lawsuit which the Judge ruled the individual mandate is unconstitutional had the state of Virginia as plantiff.

I think there are some other states that have their own lawsuits.

That's 27 states not counting any others that may have lawsuits going on. There are only 50 states in the United States, so that is a majority of the states, maybe not enough for a Constitutional Convention, but it is getting pretty close to the number needed.


I happen to know one of those states is my own state of Washington. Here, the Republican attorney general decided to sue the federal government over health care - without the governor's consent. It is fair to say, this state AG doesn't represent most Washingtonians (who voted overwhelmingly for Obama), not does he have the support or confidence of our governor, Christine Gregoir.

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And I heard some other state AG's were refusing to sue despite the fact the Governor and the people wanted him/her to sue.

However, if the Supreme Court rules it unconstitutional (and barring any deaths in the Court that is highly likely) then your AG in Washington State will be proven right.



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20 Feb 2011, 8:38 pm

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Inuyasha wrote:
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A majority of states?

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The Florida lawsuit alone in which the Federal Judge ruled Obamacare unconsitutional, had 26 states as plaintiffs.

The Virginia lawsuit which the Judge ruled the individual mandate is unconstitutional had the state of Virginia as plantiff.

I think there are some other states that have their own lawsuits.

That's 27 states not counting any others that may have lawsuits going on. There are only 50 states in the United States, so that is a majority of the states, maybe not enough for a Constitutional Convention, but it is getting pretty close to the number needed.


I happen to know one of those states is my own state of Washington. Here, the Republican attorney general decided to sue the federal government over health care - without the governor's consent. It is fair to say, this state AG doesn't represent most Washingtonians (who voted overwhelmingly for Obama), not does he have the support or confidence of our governor, Christine Gregoir.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


And I heard some other state AG's were refusing to sue despite the fact the Governor and the people wanted him/her to sue.

However, if the Supreme Court rules it unconstitutional (and barring any deaths in the Court that is highly likely) then your AG in Washington State will be proven right.


We shall see.

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21 Feb 2011, 6:10 am

That gloopy, bezoomny bratchny ceases to tire. A regular clockwork chelloveck.


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21 Feb 2011, 10:18 am

Inuyasha wrote:
aghogday wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
jojobean wrote:
I live in the south, and you would not believe how many ppl here believe in the end times, the literal translation of the book of revelations, the anti-christ is among us and ammorgeddon , These are the same ppl who say the “south is gunna rise again” like a southern mantra.
These ppl, believe Beck like a small town prophet and he uses ppl like this for his agenda


That is indeed scary.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


I also, live in the South, and these beliefs do thrive here, particularly among those that struggle the most in life. Some of them complain that they can't afford to see a Doctor, and have chronic untreated illnesses that limit their ability to work, but Beck and others have them convinced that "obamacare" will be the certain downfall of America.

Some are also ready with their guns in case someone comes to put them in detainment camps. Add in the anti-christ and armeggedon to the equation and it is no wonder that some of the people in the country don't have the energy and/or health left to find and keep a job. After all, what's the use if it is the end of days. It is not likely that Beck and others like him, are having a positive effect on the country.


Difference between them and the nut in Iran is, the people in the south don't want armeggedon to come about they're just preparing for it because they believe it is going to be soon; the mental cases in Iran think they can bring about armeggedon and are trying to actually cause it to happen.


The thing is, those people in Iran cannot cause Armageddon. The most they can do is create a bit of regional havoc before being squashed like the crazy little roaches they are...

Beck is encouraging paranoid militancy in my neighbors and increasing the possibility that they will create a bit of regional havoc HERE.

Beck needs to shut his fat, crazy piehole… :x


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21 Feb 2011, 11:59 am

Uh the Iranian Government is trying to develop nukes, all it would take is them have one of their terror groups smuggle one into a major city...



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21 Feb 2011, 12:18 pm

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Uh the Iranian Government is trying to develop nukes, all it would take is them have one of their terror groups smuggle one into a major city...


Which would ultimately result in the complete destruction of one major city and Iran, not the end of the world...

However, let some crazy, right wing religious nut get voted into the White House... now there's a recipe for the end of the world.


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Uh the Iranian Government is trying to develop nukes, all it would take is them have one of their terror groups smuggle one into a major city...


Which would ultimately result in the complete destruction of one major city and Iran, not the end of the world...

However, let some crazy, right wing religious nut get voted into the White House... now there's a recipe for the end of the world.


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