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15 Dec 2011, 11:30 am

Here is the wording of sections 1031 and 1032

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Subtitle D—Detainee Matters

SEC. 1031. AFFIRMATION OF AUTHORITY OF THE ARMED FORCES OF THE UNITED STATES TO DETAIN COVERED PERSONS PURSUANT TO THE AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF MILITARY FORCE.

(a) IN GENERAL.—Congress affirms that the authority of the President to use all necessary and appropriate force pursuant to the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107–40) includes the authority for the Armed Forces of the United States to detain covered persons (as defined in subsection (b)) pending disposition under the law of war.

(b) COVERED PERSONS.—A covered person under this section is any person as follows:
(1) A person who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored those responsible for those attacks.
(2) A person who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners, including any person who has committed a belligerent act or has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy forces.

(c) DISPOSITION UNDER LAW OF WAR.—The disposition of a person under the law of war as described in subsection (a) may include the following:
(1) Detention under the law of war without trial until the end of the hostilities authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force.
(2) Trial under chapter 47A of title 10, United States Code (as amended by the Military Commissions Act of 2009 (title XVIII of Public Law 111–84)).
(3) Transfer for trial by an alternative court or competent tribunal having lawful jurisdiction.
(4) Transfer to the custody or control of the person’s country of origin, any other foreign country, or any other foreign entity.

(d) CONSTRUCTION.—Nothing in this section is intended to limit or expand the authority of the President or the scope of the Authorization for Use of Military Force.

(e) REQUIREMENT FOR BRIEFINGS OF CONGRESS.—
The Secretary of Defense shall regularly brief Congress regarding the application of the authority described in this section, including the organizations, entities, and individuals considered to be ‘‘covered persons’’ for purposes of subsection (b)(2).



SEC. 1032. REQUIREMENT FOR MILITARY CUSTODY.

(a) CUSTODY PENDING DISPOSITION UNDER LAW OF WAR.—
(1) IN GENERAL.—Except as provided in paragraph (4), the Armed Forces of the United States shall hold a person described in paragraph (2) who is captured in the course of hostilities authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107–40) in military custody pending disposition under the law of war.
(2) COVERED PERSONS.—The requirement in paragraph (1) shall apply to any person whose detention is authorized under section 1031 who is determined—
(A) to be a member of, or part of, al-Qaeda or an associated force that acts in coordination with or pursuant to the direction of al-Qaeda; and
(B) to have participated in the course of planning or carrying out an attack or attempted attack against the United States or its coalition partners.
(3) DISPOSITION UNDER LAW OF WAR.—For purposes of this subsection, the disposition of a person under the law of war has the meaning given in section 1031(c), except that no transfer otherwise described in paragraph (4) of that section shall be made unless consistent with the requirements of section 1033.
(4) WAIVER FOR NATIONAL SECURITY.—The Secretary of Defense may, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Director of National Intelligence, waive the requirement of paragraph (1) if the Secretary submits to Congress a certification in writing that such a waiver is in the national security interests of the United States.

(b) APPLICABILITY TO UNITED STATES CITIZENS AND LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.—
(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS.—The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.
(2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.—The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.

(c) IMPLEMENTATION PROCEDURES.—
(1) IN GENERAL.—Not later than 60 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the President shall issue, and submit to Congress, procedures for implementing this section.
(2) ELEMENTS.—The procedures for implementing this section shall include, but not be limited to, procedures as follows:
(A) Procedures designating the persons authorized to make determinations under subsection (a)(2) and the process by which such determinations are to be made.
(B) Procedures providing that the requirement for military custody under subsection (a)(1) does not require the interruption of ongoing surveillance or intelligence gathering with regard to persons not already in the custody or control of the United States.
(C) Procedures providing that a determination under subsection (a)(2) is not required to be implemented until after the conclusion of an interrogation session which is ongoing at the time the determination is made and does not require the interruption of any such ongoing session.
(D) Procedures providing that the requirement for military custody under subsection (a)(1) does not apply when intelligence, law enforcement, or other government officials of the United States are granted access to an individual who remains in the custody of a third country.
(E) Procedures providing that a certification of national security interests under subsection (a)(4) may be granted for the purpose of transferring a covered person from a third country if such a transfer is in the interest of the United States and could not otherwise be accomplished.

(d) EFFECTIVE DATE.—This section shall take effect on the date that is 60 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, and shall apply with respect to persons described in subsection (a)(2) who are taken into the custody or brought under the control of the United States on or after that effective date.



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15 Dec 2011, 7:10 pm

Looks to me like they are able to detain American citizens and lawful resident aliens.



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15 Dec 2011, 7:34 pm

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Hey all. This is the time to get the heck outa here

http://www.care2.com/causes/new-bill-al ... itely.html

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the language of the Defense bill has been changed and Obama will sign it.

It is not vjust US ctizens, but people worldwide that the military can arrest and hold without trial in definitely.

From what I understand even the military thinks this is a bad idea


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17 Dec 2011, 1:05 am

skyblue1 wrote:
jojobean wrote:
Hey all. This is the time to get the heck outa here

http://www.care2.com/causes/new-bill-al ... itely.html

Jojo
the language of the Defense bill has been changed and Obama will sign it.

It is not vjust US ctizens, but people worldwide that the military can arrest and hold without trial in definitely.

From what I understand even the military thinks this is a bad idea


We have some very bad times ahead of us.....need to find a cave 40 miles away from any major highway and paint it with lead. (supposably x-ray cannot go through lead)

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17 Dec 2011, 4:04 am

It just occurred to me that the election of 2012, if it returns that fascisti Obama to office, might be our last free election for a long time.

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It just occurred to me that the election of 2012, if it returns that fascisti Obama to office, might be our last free election for a long time.

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LOL...it is the neo-cons who are the neo-fascists, not the dems. You are uninformed and listen to the fearmongers to much


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18 Dec 2011, 10:41 am

Are either of you paying attention to the news about this bill? It passed the Senate 93-7. People who are framing this loss of rights as a Republican or Democratic issue are being foolish and very unhelpful.



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18 Dec 2011, 11:10 pm

Dennis wrote:
Are either of you paying attention to the news about this bill? It passed the Senate 93-7. People who are framing this loss of rights as a Republican or Democratic issue are being foolish and very unhelpful.


ya I know it passed in the senate by a huge margin. They cant agree on a decent budget plan but its a good ol party time when it comes to eroding ppl rights.

I been saying this...maybe now ppl will believe me...they are all one party...acting like two, but they have the same agenda. They were trying to stealthfully pass this one quickly while everyone paid attention to their bickering about the budget. Thank God for watchdog groups that monitor every bill coming through. The worst are the ones that fly through the house-senate to the desk signed in a matter of 48 hours.

All this lack of bipartanship is a front...which hides the stealthy bills that wiz on through at the speed of light. They can get along just fine. See as long as ppl think they cant agree on anything, they wont be watchful for other bills passing into law like this one. And those who fail to see this and blame all evils on one party or the other are freakin puppets. Thats what they want. They want the ppl to be divided so they cant unify against the one party system that actually exists.

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19 Dec 2011, 8:21 am

jojobean wrote:
Dennis wrote:
Are either of you paying attention to the news about this bill? It passed the Senate 93-7. People who are framing this loss of rights as a Republican or Democratic issue are being foolish and very unhelpful.


ya I know it passed in the senate by a huge margin. They cant agree on a decent budget plan but its a good ol party time when it comes to eroding ppl rights.

I been saying this...maybe now ppl will believe me...they are all one party...acting like two, but they have the same agenda. They were trying to stealthfully pass this one quickly while everyone paid attention to their bickering about the budget. Thank God for watchdog groups that monitor every bill coming through. The worst are the ones that fly through the house-senate to the desk signed in a matter of 48 hours.

All this lack of bipartanship is a front...which hides the stealthy bills that wiz on through at the speed of light. They can get along just fine. See as long as ppl think they cant agree on anything, they wont be watchful for other bills passing into law like this one. And those who fail to see this and blame all evils on one party or the other are freakin puppets. Thats what they want. They want the ppl to be divided so they cant unify against the one party system that actually exists.

Jojo


As I have said, the one hand misleads while the other maneuvers the pawns from the background. And honestly, the problem runs far too deep in the system for peaceful protests and whatnot to even do a thing. Government just gives the illusion that they are conceding their position, but will pass it anyways in the background. The only true way to kill off the corruption and BS is to destroy it completely and rebuild from the ground up with the proper safeguards in place. It will be a tough job though due to the fact the taproot indeed runs deep.


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20 Dec 2011, 8:30 pm

Welp, just an update on things. It has now officially gone thru Obama's hands and has gotten approved, no veto or anything.


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22 Dec 2011, 8:29 am

DemonAbyss10 wrote:
jojobean wrote:
Dennis wrote:
Are either of you paying attention to the news about this bill? It passed the Senate 93-7. People who are framing this loss of rights as a Republican or Democratic issue are being foolish and very unhelpful.


ya I know it passed in the senate by a huge margin. They cant agree on a decent budget plan but its a good ol party time when it comes to eroding ppl rights.

I been saying this...maybe now ppl will believe me...they are all one party...acting like two, but they have the same agenda. They were trying to stealthfully pass this one quickly while everyone paid attention to their bickering about the budget. Thank God for watchdog groups that monitor every bill coming through. The worst are the ones that fly through the house-senate to the desk signed in a matter of 48 hours.

All this lack of bipartanship is a front...which hides the stealthy bills that wiz on through at the speed of light. They can get along just fine. See as long as ppl think they cant agree on anything, they wont be watchful for other bills passing into law like this one. And those who fail to see this and blame all evils on one party or the other are freakin puppets. Thats what they want. They want the ppl to be divided so they cant unify against the one party system that actually exists.

Jojo


As I have said, the one hand misleads while the other maneuvers the pawns from the background. And honestly, the problem runs far too deep in the system for peaceful protests and whatnot to even do a thing. Government just gives the illusion that they are conceding their position, but will pass it anyways in the background. The only true way to kill off the corruption and BS is to destroy it completely and rebuild from the ground up with the proper safeguards in place. It will be a tough job though due to the fact the taproot indeed runs deep.


I am afraid your right, peaceful protests wont dig up this taproot. It will have to get ugly for that to happen.
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22 Dec 2011, 4:01 pm

Be scared.... be very scared....



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22 Dec 2011, 10:48 pm

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Even if it was passed, how do you know the military would carry out the action?
they have to follow orders.


How would you handle 1.5 million courts martial?


You do just a couple: the officers at the top who refused to pass the orders down. You don't (and according to "the rules", can't) go after the far subordinates who weren't passed the order which their COs or superiors didn't even give them. Chain of command.



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22 Dec 2011, 10:50 pm

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"outa here"..... where are you gonna go? If the US military wants somebody, they get them wherever they are on the planet.

Unless maybe you have a space ship?
In that case, don't forget us!


Because extralegal kidnappings on non-American soil do actually matter if America wants to continue exchanging money with the owners of that non-American soil.

So yes, the American military can "get" whomever it wants/is ordered to/etc., at varying costs depending on circumstances.



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25 Dec 2011, 5:37 pm

Did Obama sign it into law? please list news article or provide link to law or lack there of.