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21 Apr 2012, 7:12 pm

Being "exciting" before certain age in some countries gives you a free-jail-card literally..

Anyway, I think something better is to help those bullied in school. A kind of life-line if you will. A lot of people here got experience and skills.



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21 Apr 2012, 7:15 pm

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Being "exciting" before certain age in some countries gives you a free-jail-card literally..

Anyway, I think something better is to help those bullied in school. A kind of life-line if you will. A lot of people here got experience and skills.


Well there where times I wanted to fight back as in litterally beat the crap out of whoever was bullying me and maybe scream in their face 'who's having fun now!' then again maybe I should have :twisted:


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21 Apr 2012, 8:17 pm

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I hope someone sets up a bullies hall of shame photo gallery .. :twisted:
And give the school bad reputation.


This is an ongoing issue in schools here in Australia. The victims of bullying are pretty much anyone who doesn't quite fit in with the in-crowd.

The stereotype that bullies are only kids from the poor side of town who get beaten up by their drunken father and take out their frustrations on other kids is not representative of reality. My experience in a private college was that most of the bullying is perpetrated by the rich prefect kids (male and female) who ironically are academically bright and socially successful.

Part of the problem is western society encourages competitiveness and "winner" "loser" type cognition is nurtured in school. The underlying reasons for bullying and social ostracism that leads kids to bully to the point the victim commits suicide are far deeper than we like to admit.


Wow its weird there sometimes seems to be that sterotype here, when usually its the ones with the socially popular kids with nice home lives bullying those who have problems at home. I mean I wasn't the one bullying the kids who fit in and had successful parents and all they where the ones bullying me it was like there was a cool club and I was never invited.


Which is why when school's claim to expel bullies they haven't really fixed the underlying culture that gives rise to bullying in the first place. A school needs to have a open policy on bullying and it needs to be spelled out when kids first start school. A zero tolerance.



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21 Apr 2012, 8:38 pm

cyberdad wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Keyman wrote:
I hope someone sets up a bullies hall of shame photo gallery .. :twisted:
And give the school bad reputation.


This is an ongoing issue in schools here in Australia. The victims of bullying are pretty much anyone who doesn't quite fit in with the in-crowd.

The stereotype that bullies are only kids from the poor side of town who get beaten up by their drunken father and take out their frustrations on other kids is not representative of reality. My experience in a private college was that most of the bullying is perpetrated by the rich prefect kids (male and female) who ironically are academically bright and socially successful.

Part of the problem is western society encourages competitiveness and "winner" "loser" type cognition is nurtured in school. The underlying reasons for bullying and social ostracism that leads kids to bully to the point the victim commits suicide are far deeper than we like to admit.


Wow its weird there sometimes seems to be that sterotype here, when usually its the ones with the socially popular kids with nice home lives bullying those who have problems at home. I mean I wasn't the one bullying the kids who fit in and had successful parents and all they where the ones bullying me it was like there was a cool club and I was never invited.


Which is why when school's claim to expel bullies they haven't really fixed the underlying culture that gives rise to bullying in the first place. A school needs to have a open policy on bullying and it needs to be spelled out when kids first start school. A zero tolerance.


most 'zero tolerance' policies I've run into are in the nature of...if you retaliate to bullying you will be persecuted.


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22 Apr 2012, 6:21 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Keyman wrote:
I hope someone sets up a bullies hall of shame photo gallery .. :twisted:
And give the school bad reputation.


This is an ongoing issue in schools here in Australia. The victims of bullying are pretty much anyone who doesn't quite fit in with the in-crowd.

The stereotype that bullies are only kids from the poor side of town who get beaten up by their drunken father and take out their frustrations on other kids is not representative of reality. My experience in a private college was that most of the bullying is perpetrated by the rich prefect kids (male and female) who ironically are academically bright and socially successful.

Part of the problem is western society encourages competitiveness and "winner" "loser" type cognition is nurtured in school. The underlying reasons for bullying and social ostracism that leads kids to bully to the point the victim commits suicide are far deeper than we like to admit.


Wow its weird there sometimes seems to be that sterotype here, when usually its the ones with the socially popular kids with nice home lives bullying those who have problems at home. I mean I wasn't the one bullying the kids who fit in and had successful parents and all they where the ones bullying me it was like there was a cool club and I was never invited.


Which is why when school's claim to expel bullies they haven't really fixed the underlying culture that gives rise to bullying in the first place. A school needs to have a open policy on bullying and it needs to be spelled out when kids first start school. A zero tolerance.


most 'zero tolerance' policies I've run into are in the nature of...if you retaliate to bullying you will be persecuted.

At least then you are dealing with the bullies only. Currently the private schools there is a culture that is systemic in the schools themselves. This makes it doubly hard for the victims.
Where persecution is being laid out and the school eventually wrings it;s hands you need to get legal/third parties involved and/or leave the school and launch a campaign against the school till the culprits are punished. Otherwise they get away with it.



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22 Apr 2012, 6:31 am

It was most likely depression that killed him, not bullying. The bullies themselves seemed to use both as an excuse to target him though. Horrible f**king people.

Think we can find out personal details of these bullies? They could do with getting bullied a bit themselves.



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22 Apr 2012, 7:48 am

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It was most likely depression that killed him, not bullying. The bullies themselves seemed to use both as an excuse to target him though. Horrible f**king people.

Think we can find out personal details of these bullies? They could do with getting bullied a bit themselves.

Not really any point in that, besides he will always be in their thoughts and they can't stop him. No-one can.


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22 Apr 2012, 8:25 am

cyberdad wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Keyman wrote:
I hope someone sets up a bullies hall of shame photo gallery .. :twisted:
And give the school bad reputation.


This is an ongoing issue in schools here in Australia. The victims of bullying are pretty much anyone who doesn't quite fit in with the in-crowd.

The stereotype that bullies are only kids from the poor side of town who get beaten up by their drunken father and take out their frustrations on other kids is not representative of reality. My experience in a private college was that most of the bullying is perpetrated by the rich prefect kids (male and female) who ironically are academically bright and socially successful.

Part of the problem is western society encourages competitiveness and "winner" "loser" type cognition is nurtured in school. The underlying reasons for bullying and social ostracism that leads kids to bully to the point the victim commits suicide are far deeper than we like to admit.


Wow its weird there sometimes seems to be that sterotype here, when usually its the ones with the socially popular kids with nice home lives bullying those who have problems at home. I mean I wasn't the one bullying the kids who fit in and had successful parents and all they where the ones bullying me it was like there was a cool club and I was never invited.


Which is why when school's claim to expel bullies they haven't really fixed the underlying culture that gives rise to bullying in the first place. A school needs to have a open policy on bullying and it needs to be spelled out when kids first start school. A zero tolerance.


most 'zero tolerance' policies I've run into are in the nature of...if you retaliate to bullying you will be persecuted.

At least then you are dealing with the bullies only. Currently the private schools there is a culture that is systemic in the schools themselves. This makes it doubly hard for the victims.
Where persecution is being laid out and the school eventually wrings it;s hands you need to get legal/third parties involved and/or leave the school and launch a campaign against the school till the culprits are punished. Otherwise they get away with it.


I had teachers in on the bullying to sometimes....but yeah I just kinda tried to stay out of everyones way and try not to break rules so the teachers couldn't use rule breaking as an excuse to single me out. I never did bother with third parties, hell half the time I did not even talk to my parents about it....but such is life, at least now I don't have to go to school anymore.


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22 Apr 2012, 8:26 am

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It was most likely depression that killed him, not bullying. The bullies themselves seemed to use both as an excuse to target him though. Horrible f**king people.

Think we can find out personal details of these bullies? They could do with getting bullied a bit themselves.


Well I'd say it was both...that led to the suicide, not just one or the other.


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22 Apr 2012, 9:04 am

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Well I'd say it was both...that led to the suicide, not just one or the other.


Sort of. Asperger's itself cannot lead to suicide, but it can lead to depression and that's what can cause suicide. But of course you could argue that he wouldn't have depression if it wasn't for the Asperger's.



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22 Apr 2012, 9:19 am

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Well I'd say it was both...that led to the suicide, not just one or the other.


Sort of. Asperger's itself cannot lead to suicide, but it can lead to depression and that's what can cause suicide. But of course you could argue that he wouldn't have depression if it wasn't for the Asperger's.


I meant the depression and bullying where both factors......though Aspergers could be included to, since it can cause differences in how we communicate and its not uncommon to be bullied for being different. It happened to me before I even had any understanding I was different from the other kids.....I mean they certainly noticed long before I did. Also obviously being treated like crap for being different can in turn add to depression and low self esteem.


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22 Apr 2012, 9:38 am

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Well I'd say it was both...that led to the suicide, not just one or the other.


Sort of. Asperger's itself cannot lead to suicide, but it can lead to depression and that's what can cause suicide. But of course you could argue that he wouldn't have depression if it wasn't for the Asperger's.


I meant the depression and bullying where both factors......though Aspergers could be included to, since it can cause differences in how we communicate and its not uncommon to be bullied for being different. It happened to me before I even had any understanding I was different from the other kids.....I mean they certainly noticed long before I did. Also obviously being treated like crap for being different can in turn add to depression and low self esteem.


Yeah, like I said I'm sure the bullies used both as excuses to bully him, but at the end of the day the suicide wasn't down to Asperger's.



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22 Apr 2012, 10:07 am

Asp-Z wrote:
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Well I'd say it was both...that led to the suicide, not just one or the other.


Sort of. Asperger's itself cannot lead to suicide, but it can lead to depression and that's what can cause suicide. But of course you could argue that he wouldn't have depression if it wasn't for the Asperger's.


I meant the depression and bullying where both factors......though Aspergers could be included to, since it can cause differences in how we communicate and its not uncommon to be bullied for being different. It happened to me before I even had any understanding I was different from the other kids.....I mean they certainly noticed long before I did. Also obviously being treated like crap for being different can in turn add to depression and low self esteem.


Yeah, like I said I'm sure the bullies used both as excuses to bully him, but at the end of the day the suicide wasn't down to Asperger's.


I never once said it was...


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22 Apr 2012, 10:09 am

I never said you did, chill :P



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22 Apr 2012, 11:39 am

He was a HFA, not an Aspie.
Even so the points are valid whether or not his disorder caused him to do this alongside the abuse he recieved.


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22 Apr 2012, 12:56 pm

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He was a HFA, not an Aspie.


Same thing.

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Even so the points are valid whether or not his disorder caused him to do this alongside the abuse he recieved.


I'm just making a general point about the media and their coverage of such stories. They always give autism or Asperger's a mention when someone who has either gets bullied to the point where they kill themselves but this happens a lot to people without autism as well and it's just not an important detail to the story. It gives autism as a whole an even worse name, which is not a good thing.

Autism on its own does not cause people to commit suicide, bullies (who should be thrown in jail for life) and depression caused by the bullies (and perhaps other factors) is what makes people commit suicide.