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18 Aug 2012, 1:52 am

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Google the phrase "morris dees is a pedophile" for some entertaining reading.


I did look that up on Google, and what I found was that he was accused of acting inappropriately with his sixteen year old step daughter - something for which he was never convicted of. I'm not sure if he was even charged. That tells me that the whole accusation could be false. Stormfront had a thread entitled with something about Morris Dees being a pedophile, but since that site is a cesspool of racism (the very people Dees fights), I wasn't about to soil my optic organs with reading their s**t. He has also been accused of being a bad husband and philanderer, but even if that's true, it doesn't eclipse the good he's done for victims of hate. After all, Oscar Schindler cheated on his wife with a vengeance, but who remembers that today since saving so many people from the Nazis?

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18 Aug 2012, 7:29 am

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@Vigilans: Get off my back. Don't make fun of my posting style. Don't make false insinuations that I'm messing with people. Leave me alone.

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It's a matter of being able to adopt children, teach in schools, or even live without fear of being fired from a job or denied residency due to sexual orientation.

Thank you for the list. I remember seeing something about adoption awhile back, but I haven't seen anything specific on any of the others.

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And by the way, I can't imagine how a person could oppose interracial marriage without being a racist. What other arguments could one seriously have to be against two people of different races marrying?

There's an argument that I heard at some point that different races were somehow incompatible, and that while each race was equally good, they ought to be separated. If someone were to believe that (including the 'equally good' part), they could be against interracial marriage without being racist. I am not, just to be clear, saying that that's a good way to look at it, or even that the idea isn't a bit silly.

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They want to cure you, any such programs need to be eliminated from existence because of their hatred of what being gay stands for.

I'm not going to say the 'curing' idea is any good, because I don't think it is, but I think you ought to be pretty careful about how you use a word like 'hatred'. You may have been doing that to an extent, since you're saying they hate an idea instead of people, but I've seen the word 'hate' thrown around way to casually in this context, so I thought it was worth mentioning.

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Their are too many families who kick their children out of their home because they come out.

That's just straight up BS. Nobody should treat their kids like that.


You fisk those posts boyo, you fisk them good. Throw in some slander if possible, you show those liberals who is boss


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18 Aug 2012, 10:09 am

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@Vigilans: Get off my back.
Why don't you get off people's nuts already? You're being difficult for no reason. If you weren't so busy mentally masturbating over semantics and actually bothered to look the FRC up to see what they're about, maybe you would be able to figure out what people mean by "hateful". It doesn't matter how often the word is thrown around, it matters if the word actually fits which it does in this case.



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18 Aug 2012, 12:30 pm

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@Vigilans: Get off my back.
Why don't you get off people's nuts already? You're being difficult for no reason. If you weren't so busy mentally masturbating over semantics and actually bothered to look the FRC up to see what they're about, maybe you would be able to figure out what people mean by "hateful". It doesn't matter how often the word is thrown around, it matters if the word actually fits which it does in this case.


He postures ignorance on most topics related to homophobes, creationism and climate change and fisks the hell out of anyone who makes the mistake of believing he is serious in his questioning. Fully expect to hear about how he'd be on "our side" if only we weren't all so rude


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18 Aug 2012, 2:10 pm

AceOfSpades wrote:
Ancalagon wrote:
@Vigilans: Get off my back.
Why don't you get off people's nuts already? You're being difficult for no reason. If you weren't so busy mentally masturbating over semantics and actually bothered to look the FRC up to see what they're about, maybe you would be able to figure out what people mean by "hateful". It doesn't matter how often the word is thrown around, it matters if the word actually fits which it does in this case.


To put it briefly you are displeased with what the FRC has to say.

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18 Aug 2012, 2:42 pm

I'm waiting on more info on the shooter and his motivations, but I have to say after all that talk about the "violent rhetoric" coming from the right and wanting to hold various talk-show hosts responsible for people attacking abortion clinics, Sarah Palin for the Giffords shooting, etc, I'll be curious to see how this plays out, politically speaking.


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18 Aug 2012, 2:51 pm

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Maybe I should have phrased it better. I'm just tired of people saying they're so incredibly awful without bothering to say why.
Here ya go - knock yourself out: http://www.frc.org/
It's got to be more efficient for you to go and see for yourself than just fisking posts to death here.
You missed the point of my complaint. I'm not trying to find out details about the FRC. I'm just tired of seeing a lot of unsubstantiated and nonspecific criticisms of them.
You missed the point of my providing that link. It was done so you could gain some idea of what people are complaining about.


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18 Aug 2012, 3:18 pm

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Maybe I should have phrased it better. I'm just tired of people saying they're so incredibly awful without bothering to say why.
Here ya go - knock yourself out: http://www.frc.org/
It's got to be more efficient for you to go and see for yourself than just fisking posts to death here.
You missed the point of my complaint. I'm not trying to find out details about the FRC. I'm just tired of seeing a lot of unsubstantiated and nonspecific criticisms of them.
You missed the point of my providing that link. It was done so you could gain some idea of what people are complaining about.


That entire statement makes no sense anyway; not interested in finding details but tired of seeing "unsubstantiated and nonspecific criticisms"


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18 Aug 2012, 4:06 pm

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Cornflake wrote:
Ancalagon wrote:
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Ancalagon wrote:
Maybe I should have phrased it better. I'm just tired of people saying they're so incredibly awful without bothering to say why.
Here ya go - knock yourself out: http://www.frc.org/
It's got to be more efficient for you to go and see for yourself than just fisking posts to death here.
You missed the point of my complaint. I'm not trying to find out details about the FRC. I'm just tired of seeing a lot of unsubstantiated and nonspecific criticisms of them.
You missed the point of my providing that link. It was done so you could gain some idea of what people are complaining about.


That entire statement makes no sense anyway; not interested in finding details but tired of seeing "unsubstantiated and nonspecific criticisms"
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I'm waiting on more info on the shooter and his motivations, but I have to say after all that talk about the "violent rhetoric" coming from the right and wanting to hold various talk-show hosts responsible for people attacking abortion clinics, Sarah Palin for the Giffords shooting, etc, I'll be curious to see how this plays out, politically speaking.
Oh God, I hope it doesn't go the other way now. I could just see someone herping and derping about how the decline of family values is breaking down the moral fabric of society.



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18 Aug 2012, 5:43 pm

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That entire statement makes no sense anyway; not interested in finding details but tired of seeing "unsubstantiated and nonspecific criticisms"


It makes sense if Ancalagon knows the positions of the FRC. I am not sure if he is returning since his embarrassing statement regarding racism/interracial marriage (I REALLY want to see that source he "saw") that Kraichgauer called him out on (which just goes to show how low anti-gay Christians have to go to defend their position), but it is a valid question if Ancalagon actually knows something about the FRC's position towards homosexuality. What doesn't make sense is why, if he knew the positions, he would give a run-around to thewrll about semantics.



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18 Aug 2012, 5:56 pm

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That entire statement makes no sense anyway; not interested in finding details but tired of seeing "unsubstantiated and nonspecific criticisms"


It makes sense if Ancalagon knows the positions of the FRC. I am not sure if he is returning since his embarrassing statement regarding racism/interracial marriage (I REALLY want to see that source he "saw") that Kraichgauer called him out on (which just goes to show how low anti-gay Christians have to go to defend their position), but it is a valid question if Ancalagon actually knows something about the FRC's position towards homosexuality. What doesn't make sense is why, if he knew the positions, he would give a run-around to thewrll about semantics.


That just made the fire alarms go off in my head. But I'll just assume the best about Ancalagon; that hopefully he was only playing devil's advocate.

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18 Aug 2012, 6:43 pm

Yeah wondering the same thing. I am just for all human rights. Gays have has good a right to be miserable as married people.



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18 Aug 2012, 6:53 pm

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Yeah wondering the same thing. I am just for all human rights. Gays have has good a right to be miserable as married people.
Hahaha I love Chris Rock.



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19 Aug 2012, 12:50 am

I think politicians might have also said that. I don't know where I first heard it but it's true.



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19 Aug 2012, 4:51 am

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That just made the fire alarms go off in my head. But I'll just assume the best about Ancalagon; that hopefully he was only playing devil's advocate.

Thank you for not automatically assuming the worst.

If you're talking about the potential argument about interracial marriage, then yes, I was playing devil's advocate. I practically said as much in the post itself, so it actually disturbs me a bit that you're the only one who noticed that.

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I can tell you right now that anyone who thinks any different races are incompatible is a racist.

Are you saying that you would assume that anyone with that theory is a racist, or are you saying that having that theory, by itself, constitutes racism? If it's the second, then I think we may have different assumption about the definition of the word 'racism'.

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That entire statement makes no sense anyway; not interested in finding details but tired of seeing "unsubstantiated and nonspecific criticisms"

I was not terribly interested in finding out details about the FRC itself (although I wouldn't mind it particularly), I was interested in why people were objecting to it. People were saying, repeatedly, things with as much information content as 'they're all jerks'. What they weren't saying is why they're all jerks.

@iBlockhead: I'm sorry, I don't have a specific source for you. I remember hearing about it on a news article about 3 or 4 years ago. There was a guy refusing to do something (a marriage license maybe?) and getting in legal trouble over it, since he didn't actually have the authority to do that. The hypothetical argument I presented was what the guy said as well as I can remember from a couple of years ago. That's about all I can remember about it.


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19 Aug 2012, 10:37 am

Ancalagon wrote:
If you're talking about the potential argument about interracial marriage, then yes, I was playing devil's advocate. I practically said as much in the post itself, so it actually disturbs me a bit that you're the only one who noticed that.


I am pretty sure it was if you knew the positions of the FRC before you talked to thewrll. So, did you? See below.

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That entire statement makes no sense anyway; not interested in finding details but tired of seeing "unsubstantiated and nonspecific criticisms"

I was not terribly interested in finding out details about the FRC itself (although I wouldn't mind it particularly), I was interested in why people were objecting to it. People were saying, repeatedly, things with as much information content as 'they're all jerks'. What they weren't saying is why they're all jerks.


Which, of course, requires you to know the positions of the FRC to discuss this issue. The "wouldn't mind it" part shows you have no interest but to ask "questions". And they weren't saying "they're all jerks." Please review your discussion with thewrll. You just cannot read things honestly if they have an opposing viewpoint.

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@iBlockhead: I'm sorry, I don't have a specific source for you. I remember hearing about it on a news article about 3 or 4 years ago. There was a guy refusing to do something (a marriage license maybe?) and getting in legal trouble over it, since he didn't actually have the authority to do that. The hypothetical argument I presented was what the guy said as well as I can remember from a couple of years ago. That's about all I can remember about it.


It's not hard to find in this day and age.

Is this it?

Wikipedia article of 2009 Lousiana Interracial Marriage Refusal

Explain how this is not racist if this is what you are talking about. The argument really is interracial couples should not procreate, essentially. And it is not hypothetical if it actually happened.