"Innocence of Muslims" doesn't exist ???

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Agreed.

The film permit released today, Media for Christ, up to twenty cast, twenty crew, fire and animals, for one day.

So it would be hard to get 14 minutes shot in a day.

Also, others say it was released on U-Tube in June, to no reaction.

Some hundred days later it starts a global fire storm, for 9/11.

No Global Fire Storm Permit was issued, or even applied for.

I am into Marketing, and my results in producing content prove that it is not self discovered. Posted content must be advertised in other media, to get people to link to it.

No word yet on what this secondary marketing was, that launched the product for international results. While the web does do some self launched viral media, that shows slowly over time, and gathers viewers slowly at first.

I would like to know how that was done.

Er... we have "honour" killings, FGM, threats of bringing Sharia in, hate preachers openly welcomed and fêted and all the rest and we have secular law. Problem is, we've stopped enforcing it (and we've made concessions to Islamist bigots).

I'm a Canadian lawyer and medical doctor.

I should point out that I have not watched the trailer concerned, so I am not speaking for any analysis of the specific content. That being said, it's a hard call on the "offensive speech" front. In the case of Hustler or The Book of Mormon, the creators are clearly intending to be satirical, and their expression is protected on that basis. Here, the filmmaker's (or should I say trailermaker's?) intent may have been to be inflammatory. Intention might make a difference in US law, that's hard to know--not least because it is hard to glean intention, and he would be protected from self-crimination.

In my personal (as opposed to my legal) view, his expression is political expression, and it should properly be entirely protected, regardless of how offensive it is. So long as he does not cross the line into incitement, I think he should stand on firmly protected ground.

Citation? I have heard of no study conducted that has come to that conclusion. I have seen many more that show poverty to be the cause.

It's also clear you have not been to NYC, where many, many taxi drivers are Muslim. The US has a many Muslims. In fact, Wikipedia states they have been come to America in droves. You also neglect to mention that those attacks were on OTHER MUSLIMS and were conducted by ONE GROUP.

Here in the US, an overwhelming majority of terrorists are NOT Muslim (scroll to the bottom for a list of attacks).



Count how many times a Muslim has cut off his daughters head. You can count them all on one hand. So, why are you judging millions of fathers on the actions of a few?

I agree the US is ruled by secular law, however many, many Christians would be happy to disagree with you. There is many Christians (notice I do not generalize) believe the US is a Christian nation.. This is a problem for those of us who are not Christian and who are a minority that many Christians tend to frown upon. It's common knowledge that hate crimes tend to be perpetuated by extremist Christians.

As a member of a minority extremist Christians don't like, I find it funny that people are so willing to ignore wrong doings of group just because they're the "home team". I have received much more grief and harassment from Christians than I have ever from a Muslim. They have not attacked me yet. However, there's countless of rapes, murders and assaults on the LGBT group every year here in America. According the logic spouted by many here, I must hate all Christians because of a few people.

I'll make it clear: I am not defending Muslims as a whole. I am defending the majority who have done no wrong doing and who do not support the Taliban or al-Qaeda. Do not let a few bad apples ruin it for the rest and do not let blind hatred for a different religion get in the way of logic and reason.

Thank you. This is what I was driving at. It would seem the "trailer maker" was attempting a historical drama. It appears he is merely "guilty" of having an actor appear as Mohammed. That and very poor judgement.

Funnily enough, Muslim protesters who openly call for people to be beheaded for "insulting" their prophet and who carry terrorist flags rarely get arrested in the West.

Double standards? You bet.

It's a personal opinion. I can show you a website that breaks down Islamist terrorist attacks in detail, though. They're from a variety of causes, but almost all of them have religion as the main cause or one of the main causes. The terrorist organisations almost always proclaim that they do what they do in the name of Islam, and this is fully backed up by the Quran.

So, if we have Islamic terrorists that carry out violent attacks daily and they openly claim that they do it in the name of Islam, and many Muslims agree with or sympathise with their attackers and not the victims, what is the West supposed to believe?

Now, it is true that, in the main (but not always) that Islam is strong in poor countries. However, it is also strongest in very rich countries as well. The Saudis aren't short of a bob or two and they push one of the most fanatically puritanical forms of Islam on the whole planet, exporting it to Europe and throughout the world like poison. The Arab world is absolutely pickled in hate - MEMRI-TV does an excellent job of showing up this.

Just because something doesn't fit into your multiculti, left-wing, PC, blind-ourselves-to-the-facts analyiss doesn't mean it's not true. The fact is that people from Middle Eastern and places like Afghanistan and Pakistan generally commit a lot more crime and seem to have a much bigger problem with sexual violence than do the average Westerner.



Name them. I can show you ex-Muslim scholars and Muslims who know that the real problem is at the heart of Islam. In fact, Muslims are at most danger from fellow Muslims, not from anyone else.



So? I live next to a city where Muslims make up about 10% of the overall population - the vast majority of these being Sunni Muslim immigrants and their descendants from India and Pakistan. That good enough for you? I live a region of the UK that has one of, if not the, highest concentrations of Muslims. So don't give me this crap of yours.



Far, far fewer than one would think. I think it's something like 1% of the population, isn't it? In Britain, it's about 4% and it's rising exponentially, as it is across Western Europe.

Here in the US, an overwhelming majority of terrorists are NOT Muslim (scroll to the bottom for a list of attacks).[/quote]

That's from 2002-2005 isn't it? How many people did Muslim terrorists kill in 2001?

Also, the people you've mentioned there are most likely cranks and dickheads who are incapable of doing serious harms. Any terrorism is to be deplored. Any. So whilst, yes, there are problems with anti-abortionist terrorists, throughout the world the biggest religious terrorist threat by far is Islam. Christian and Jewish terrorism is almost non-existent.

Does call for beheading cross the line from political speech into incitement? I'm not sure that this meets a legal definition for incitement, and I would tend to the view that it's probably protected political speech.

Certainly carrying terrorist flags is protected speech. While Germany and several other countries have outlawed Nazi symbolism, otherwise it's pretty much open season for anyone to display--and to desecrate--the flag of their choice.

I've seen this before - in Northern Ireland, for one. There are adverts and "commemorations" for terrorist organisations galore there. Most people find it sick and disgusting.



I wonder how long I'd last if I called for the beheading of anyone I disagreed with.

Such as the PM ? Or one of the Royals?

How about those who call for blasphemy laws?

Oooooo, I'll personally sharpen the axe.

Prof_Pretorious the Greatest, Prof_Pretorius the Merciful.

Post it.

As an Atheist and member of the LGBT minority, I know all too well the evils of religion. However, the evil that has affected me the most has been the evils of the Christian religion. It really bothers me when people shrug off the hate that's in the Christian Bible when confronted with the beliefs of one of Christianity's brother, Islam. Abrahamic religions are a major problem in todays world. It's plain to see as the Christian West urges a war with Islam.

However, I do not believe for a second that every Christian believes everything in the Christian Bible, nor do I believe for a second that every Muslim believes everything the Quran says. When I read the posts in this thread, I do not see people saying, "Islam and Christianity are too sick puppies." I see generalizations and people throwing innocent people under the bus because some minority wants to start a fight. Not to mention that minority doesn't even like the majority and wants to seem them dead as much as the Christian West does.

"Al-Qaeda is also responsible for instigating sectarian violence among Muslims. Al-Qaeda is intolerant of non-Sunni branches of Islam and denounces them by means of excommunications called "takfir". Al-Qaeda leaders regard liberal Muslims, Shias, Sufis and other sects as heretics and have attacked their mosques and gatherings. Examples of sectarian attacks include the Yazidi community bombings, the Sadr City bombings, the Ashoura Massacre and the April 2007 Baghdad bombings."

Those terrorist attacks you mentioned? The victims were, one again, other muslims..



Cute. I'm the only one posting citations for my beliefs and I'm the one ignoring facts?

Where do you see Saudi Arabia on this list? How about the rest of the Middle East? They're only just passed the 'Developed' mark. Your logic is faulty. A rich country can still be full of people living in poverty and be poorly educated. Only a small minority of Saudi Arabians hold the wealth of the nation.

"The Dynamics of Poverty and Crime" (PDF)
"Urban Poverty and Juvenile Crime: Evidence from a Randomized Housing-Mobility Experiment"
"Poverty and Education" (PDF)

What did I say? "If Muslims are so evil, why are there no riots in America?" You said, "Because there aren't enough Muslims in the U.S." What does you living in the UK, being near Muslims (who, by the way, also haven't rioted) have to do with anything?



1% is 2.6 million people. I think that's enough to incite a riot, don't you? Thousands of them are living in NYC as we speak. I also think that is enough to incite a riot.


Reread my statement. Majority of local terrorists are not Muslim, despite 2.6 million supposedly evil people living in the US. Al-Qaeda is classified as a foreign terrorist group. But lets expand on this anyways. There's over a billion people who follow the teachings of Muhammad. How many people were involved in 9/11? A fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of Muslims were involved.



"Most likely"? That's your opinion and you have zero evidence.

Christian Terrorism wiki page.
Jewish Terrorism wiki page.

Doesn't look like non-existent to me.

I agree that currently the biggest threat right now is the Taliban and al-Qaeda, I am not arguing that. What I am arguing is that they are a minority of Muslims and they do not represent Islam as a whole. They use the Quran just like the Westboro Baptist Church wields the Christian Bible. Unlike the Westboro Bapitist Church, they have money, resources and government officials in their employ. Re-look at my post with the video.

Sorry if there's any mistakes in this post. My post was so long I had to make it into two posts and there might have been mix ups.