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Kraichgauer
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11 Dec 2012, 3:38 pm

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Do you propose making it illegal to be unemployed?


Be just like Barack forcing people to buy health insurance......


That was originally the Republican plan.

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Originally?
I guess they came to their senses ........


Nah. They just like to play the crybaby.


The term "bleeding heart liberals" would indicate otherwise.....


Nah, that just means liberals actually care about other human beings.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Uh huh. Well we cold hearted conservatives focus on the overall wellbeing of the herd and not so much the individual cow. What's good for the herd is good for the cow.


No, they're interested in the well being of the rancher who slaughters the cattle for profit.

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11 Dec 2012, 4:17 pm

From the perspective of this herd member, I take the view that a herd in which all the members are healthy and well fed reduces the competition for resources.

If the guy on the street needs to steal to feed himself, it may be my house that gets robbed.


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11 Dec 2012, 4:41 pm

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From the perspective of this herd member, I take the view that a herd in which all the members are healthy and well fed reduces the competition for resources.

If the guy on the street needs to steal to feed himself, it may be my house that gets robbed.


I agree. In a civilized order there should be means to see that everyone has a chance to earn their bread peacefully and productively. However this need is not a warrant to bestow benefits gotten by taxation on shiftless bums. Everybody, who can earn their bread, should earn their bread. Only those who cannot earn their bread because of disability brought on by nature or accident should be given a free ride by the rest of us. Why? It is social insurance. Each and every one of us is one unlucky event away from being blind or crippled.

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11 Dec 2012, 7:49 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
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Do you propose making it illegal to be unemployed?


Be just like Barack forcing people to buy health insurance......


That was originally the Republican plan.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Originally?
I guess they came to their senses ........


Nah. They just like to play the crybaby.


The term "bleeding heart liberals" would indicate otherwise.....


Nah, that just means liberals actually care about other human beings.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Uh huh. Well we cold hearted conservatives focus on the overall wellbeing of the herd and not so much the individual cow. What's good for the herd is good for the cow.


No, they're interested in the well being of the rancher who slaughters the cattle for profit.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Well since we're on the Barack Obama ranch for the next four years you've said a lot just by saying that.


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11 Dec 2012, 7:52 pm

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From the perspective of this herd member, I take the view that a herd in which all the members are healthy and well fed reduces the competition for resources.

If the guy on the street needs to steal to feed himself, it may be my house that gets robbed.


Yes, but you're on the Harper ranch so that's different.....


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11 Dec 2012, 8:42 pm

Conservatives want autistics to get zilch so they can find a job. Has it ever occurred to them that some autistics cannot even talk?



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11 Dec 2012, 8:57 pm

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Conservatives want autistics to get zilch so they can find a job. Has it ever occurred to them that some autistics cannot even talk?


:roll:
Duh, the conservatives on this forum are autistic.


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12 Dec 2012, 12:07 am

Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Quote:
Do you propose making it illegal to be unemployed?


Be just like Barack forcing people to buy health insurance......


That was originally the Republican plan.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Originally?
I guess they came to their senses ........


Nah. They just like to play the crybaby.


The term "bleeding heart liberals" would indicate otherwise.....


Nah, that just means liberals actually care about other human beings.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Uh huh. Well we cold hearted conservatives focus on the overall wellbeing of the herd and not so much the individual cow. What's good for the herd is good for the cow.


No, they're interested in the well being of the rancher who slaughters the cattle for profit.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Well since we're on the Barack Obama ranch for the next four years you've said a lot just by saying that.


I was actually discussing conservatives.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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12 Dec 2012, 10:03 am

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Conservatives want autistics to get zilch so they can find a job. Has it ever occurred to them that some autistics cannot even talk?


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Duh, the conservatives on this forum are autistic.


"Duh" appears to be a standard "conservative" vocalization.



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12 Dec 2012, 12:30 pm

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I agree. In a civilized order there should be means to see that everyone has a chance to earn their bread peacefully and productively. However this need is not a warrant to bestow benefits gotten by taxation on shiftless bums. Everybody, who can earn their bread, should earn their bread. Only those who cannot earn their bread because of disability brought on by nature or accident should be given a free ride by the rest of us. Why? It is social insurance. Each and every one of us is one unlucky event away from being blind or crippled.

ruveyn


What of the person who is disabled by their own misadventure? Does it make a difference whether the activity that brought on the disability is legal or not? The person permanently disabled from employment still needs to eat, whether he caused his own injuries or not.

And what of the person who is willing to work, but who no one is willing to hire? Does it make a difference whether this is because there is no work to offer him as opposed to his own shortcomings?

It is rather easy to demonize the "welfare cheat" and the "culture of dependency." But what does the world look like when we implement policies to crack down on those? The reality, demonstrated time and again, is that property crime goes up.


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12 Dec 2012, 12:57 pm

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Shooting someone for breaking & entering could be seen as more fiscally prudent than paying them to "be good" for years on end.


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12 Dec 2012, 1:31 pm

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Shooting someone for breaking & entering could be seen as more fiscally prudent than paying them to "be good" for years on end.


Well, since both I and my partner have jobs and must vacate our premises on a daily basis, it would be left undefended for several hours each day.

Suddenly your fiscal prudence looks woefully inadequate.


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12 Dec 2012, 1:52 pm

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Shooting someone for breaking & entering could be seen as more fiscally prudent than paying them to "be good" for years on end.


Well, since both I and my partner have jobs and must vacate our premises on a daily basis, it would be left undefended for several hours each day.

Suddenly your fiscal prudence looks woefully inadequate.


They'd be a'feerd of my dog who IS home during the day.


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12 Dec 2012, 2:14 pm

Just toss the dog a poisoned treat.



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12 Dec 2012, 2:21 pm

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Just toss the dog a poisoned treat.


Only a +r011 would suggest poisoning a dog.
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12 Dec 2012, 2:44 pm

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They'd be a'feerd of my dog who IS home during the day.


Given the cost of acquistion, food, veterenary care, training, and the amount of time each day required to exercise a dog of sufficient mass to deter a thief, the amount of my taxes that go towards social programs for income assistance and housing is probably comparable. And protects not just my house, but my neighbors' as well.


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