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It seems I mistook Fogman's post for kouzoku's, and for this I apologize. 
07 Apr 2013, 2:14 pm
I was not the one who brought up Christianity, it was you through this quote:
Tensu wrote:
Oh yes, because building a civilization founded on the ideas of mercy, forgiveness, love, and not passing judgement which Jesus preached could only result in a bloodthirsty, vindictive society. 
...which has an air of arrogance that Christianity would never result in some heinous punishment like the OP is citing. It's like saying "MY religion would never be responsible for such a thing!" to which I pointed out is not the case.
THAT'S the problem.
And to the other posters, saying that one group should not decide what is right or wrong for everyone else is not imposing what I believe is "good". I have not even hinted at what my own personal morals or spirituality lie. I don't even bring up my personal beliefs in these conversations because I DON'T believe I have the right to do so.
As I stated, I am not a hater of Christianity and I don't think there's anything wrong with it. It's comments like the one above that are bothersome. They are an indirect attack on others. ALL religions have been responsible for wrongdoing. None of them are superior, at least not as demonstrated by history.
It's said that radical Christians aren't representative of all American Christians and yes, that's true, but the same goes for Islam. I know quite a few Muslims who have immigrated from Iraq, Iran, and India, and all are peace-loving people who completely disagree with the extremist regime. That's why they left their respective homelands.
Just because someone disagrees with something a Christian says doesn't mean they hate all Christians. That's why I said it's a pointless argument.
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07 Apr 2013, 4:46 pm
kouzoku wrote:
I was not the one who brought up Christianity, it was you through this quote:
...which has an air of arrogance that Christianity would never result in some heinous punishment like the OP is citing. It's like saying "MY religion would never be responsible for such a thing!" to which I pointed out is not the case.
THAT'S the problem.
And to the other posters, saying that one group should not decide what is right or wrong for everyone else is not imposing what I believe is "good". I have not even hinted at what my own personal morals or spirituality lie. I don't even bring up my personal beliefs in these conversations because I DON'T believe I have the right to do so.
As I stated, I am not a hater of Christianity and I don't think there's anything wrong with it. It's comments like the one above that are bothersome. They are an indirect attack on others. ALL religions have been responsible for wrongdoing. None of them are superior, at least not as demonstrated by history.
It's said that radical Christians aren't representative of all American Christians and yes, that's true, but the same goes for Islam. I know quite a few Muslims who have immigrated from Iraq, Iran, and India, and all are peace-loving people who completely disagree with the extremist regime. That's why they left their respective homelands.
Just because someone disagrees with something a Christian says doesn't mean they hate all Christians. That's why I said it's a pointless argument.
Tensu wrote:
Oh yes, because building a civilization founded on the ideas of mercy, forgiveness, love, and not passing judgement which Jesus preached could only result in a bloodthirsty, vindictive society.
...which has an air of arrogance that Christianity would never result in some heinous punishment like the OP is citing. It's like saying "MY religion would never be responsible for such a thing!" to which I pointed out is not the case.
THAT'S the problem.
And to the other posters, saying that one group should not decide what is right or wrong for everyone else is not imposing what I believe is "good". I have not even hinted at what my own personal morals or spirituality lie. I don't even bring up my personal beliefs in these conversations because I DON'T believe I have the right to do so.
As I stated, I am not a hater of Christianity and I don't think there's anything wrong with it. It's comments like the one above that are bothersome. They are an indirect attack on others. ALL religions have been responsible for wrongdoing. None of them are superior, at least not as demonstrated by history.
It's said that radical Christians aren't representative of all American Christians and yes, that's true, but the same goes for Islam. I know quite a few Muslims who have immigrated from Iraq, Iran, and India, and all are peace-loving people who completely disagree with the extremist regime. That's why they left their respective homelands.
Just because someone disagrees with something a Christian says doesn't mean they hate all Christians. That's why I said it's a pointless argument.
To be sure, American Muslims should not be lumped with their culturally backward coreligionists in other countries.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
07 Apr 2013, 4:59 pm
kouzoku wrote:
Tensu wrote:
Oh yes, because building a civilization founded on the ideas of mercy, forgiveness, love, and not passing judgement which Jesus preached could only result in a bloodthirsty, vindictive society.
...which has an air of arrogance
What?Quote:
It's comments like the one above that are bothersome. They are an indirect attack on others.
What?Quote:
As I stated, I am not a hater of Christianity and I don't think there's anything wrong with it.
You have said in this thread that you think there are a lot of Christians who want to kill every Muslim in the world, that you see Christians acting out of a motive of hate every day, and that they don't really care about peace, love, and understanding. On top of that, you accuse someone who defended it of having somehow made an indirect attack on everyone else and being arrogant. You haven't made any posts in the thread that aren't about attacking Christians, never mind that the thread isn't about Christians.
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07 Apr 2013, 5:48 pm
Ancalagon wrote:
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As I stated, I am not a hater of Christianity and I don't think there's anything wrong with it.
You have said in this thread that you think there are a lot of Christians who want to kill every Muslim in the world, that you see Christians acting out of a motive of hate every day, and that they don't really care about peace, love, and understanding. On top of that, you accuse someone who defended it of having somehow made an indirect attack on everyone else and being arrogant. You haven't made any posts in the thread that aren't about attacking Christians, never mind that the thread isn't about Christians.
^ That =/= hater of Christianity.
I'm merely stating that there are plenty of them who DON'T act according to Jesus' teachings. Nowhere did I say ALL of them do, but the fact that a fair amount do shows that a civilization founded on Jesus' teachings would not necessarily be free of similar issues as the original topic. Someone could say he likes apples, but hates the peel and the core. That doesn't mean he completely hates apples; he will probably peel them, core them, and then happily munch the rest.
There are people within my own spirituality who aren't very nice human beings either, but I'm still part of that tradition. Saying that something isn't perfect or near perfect doesn't dismiss it entirely.
Tensu was the one that brought Christianity into the conversation. No other religions other than Islam and Christianity have been brought up thus far. Hence the content of my replies.
07 Apr 2013, 6:30 pm
