The boy whose brain could unlock autism

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15 Apr 2014, 10:30 am

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I agree to disagree. If you look up the definition of disease, everyone has one. You can pick anyone apart. There is no exceptions. It cancels itself out. The way it is written in Wikipedia, sounds more like an overexagerrated complication of the English language.


Wikipedia is not a valid source for anything, except as a start for research... especially definitions... that is what the dictionary is for.

Except that they don't.
Disease:
1. a disordered or incorrectly functioning organ, part, structure, or system of the body resulting from the effect of genetic or developmental errors, infection, poisons, nutritional deficiency or imbalance, toxicity, or unfavorable environmental factors; illness; sickness; ailment.
2. any abnormal condition in a plant that interferes with its vital physiological processes, caused by pathogenic microorganisms, parasites, unfavorable environmental, genetic, or nutritional factors, etc.

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People cannot give autism to you, but they can make the symptoms worse. If someone makes my symptoms worse for me, do they have a disease too? According to the definition, they do, and theirs is not listed as anything in DSM, or anywhere else for that matter. It's normal. A contradiction of definition.

Please, in the definitions (which are the two that apply to this discussion), site
a) where a disease has to be communicable?
b) how an environmental factor making it worse is a contradiction?
c) how our reaction to environmental stimulus should require that the individual in question should BE in the DSM?

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Then again, I guess humanity is just one big disease. Just like the definition states.

Please share the definition you have been using...


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15 Apr 2014, 10:34 am

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One, I'm Willard on this one.
I figured out years before I was diagnosed that my issued stemmed from what I thought of as having less sensory filtering than most people.

Two, Feralucce is correct in calling it a disease, though I'd prefer the term 'disability', because to even be diagnosed the symptoms have to significantly and regularly interfere with your functionality over a long peroid if time.
I wasn't particularly happy when I looked into it and found out that he was right about the terminology. but he is.
However, I still thing disability is more acurate.


I happen to dislike the term as well... unfortunately... My flavor of autism is such that I am VERY literal and believe that the burden of communication falls upon the one communicating the ideas... Since my flavor is rather severely emotionally disconnected Asperger's... I have no choice but to use the dictionary definitions without the emotional connotations and stigma that are often attached to words...


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15 Apr 2014, 10:38 am

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Seriously though. According to the definition of disease, I could ask anyone "what's your disease". If they say, or believe they do not have one, they are either lying, wrong, or both. Making themselves believe they do not have one could be an unhealthy thing for themselves, and others around them. They might as well just put everyone in the DSM somewhere. Just call it the DEX white pages or something. It will be listed with a phone number and address, so you can actually find the disease you are looking for.

I really get a kick out of this one thing in the definition of disease.

Dying from a disease is better known as "dying from natural causes".

After reading the true definition of disease, you might as well delete it, and start over.


Citation: Please cut and paste this definition you are using... Also... one point does not negate the other... it only reinforces my statement...


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15 Apr 2014, 6:21 pm

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yournamehere wrote:
Seriously though. According to the definition of disease, I could ask anyone "what's your disease". If they say, or believe they do not have one, they are either lying, wrong, or both. Making themselves believe they do not have one could be an unhealthy thing for themselves, and others around them. They might as well just put everyone in the DSM somewhere. Just call it the DEX white pages or something. It will be listed with a phone number and address, so you can actually find the disease you are looking for.

I really get a kick out of this one thing in the definition of disease.

Dying from a disease is better known as "dying from natural causes".

After reading the true definition of disease, you might as well delete it, and start over.


Citation: Please cut and paste this definition you are using... Also... one point does not negate the other... it only reinforces my statement...


I do not know how to do the cut and paste thing. I'm almost as computer illiterate as a clam. :D . Like I said. It is the definition I read in Wikipedia. Until I read it, I thought a disease was mostly biological. Like a poison, a bug, or a system getting attacked, and run down somehow.

Is getting older a disease? Sounds like it?

One reason why I do not like the definition of disease for me, is because my mentality, and skills go up. needing support or not, things do get better. Unless someone like a sociopath intervenes. That may complicate things to the point of disease, so I guess it's circumstantial.



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15 Apr 2014, 7:03 pm

Once again, I am sorry for being me. Maybe I'm just really confusing. Language is not my strongpoint. I am a very visual thinker. What I see in my head, may not be interpreted correctly. Too many crazies. I may be one of them. :lol: .

There are qualitive issues many of us have, that make it difficult for me to believe it is a disease. Wheather we need help, support, have difficulties, or whatever.



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15 Apr 2014, 9:35 pm

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Once again, I am sorry for being me. Maybe I'm just really confusing. Language is not my strongpoint. I am a very visual thinker. What I see in my head, may not be interpreted correctly. Too many crazies. I may be one of them. :lol: .

There are qualitive issues many of us have, that make it difficult for me to believe it is a disease. Wheather we need help, support, have difficulties, or whatever.

different countries have different understandings of words, disease is regulary used to describe ASD in america for example but woud be frowned upon in the UK.

am not offended to the word but dont believe it fits,a disease of the brain woud usualy imply that someone had a normal functioning brain but then becomes diseased,whereas ASD is strongly believed to be pre natal resulting from genetics,it was recognised [although not always understood] by parents of many autists as young babies including self.
this is just own understanding of it and the word disease.


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15 Apr 2014, 9:42 pm

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I do not know how to do the cut and paste thing. I'm almost as computer illiterate as a clam. :D . Like I said. It is the definition I read in Wikipedia. Until I read it, I thought a disease was mostly biological. Like a poison, a bug, or a system getting attacked, and run down somehow.

Is getting older a disease? Sounds like it?

One reason why I do not like the definition of disease for me, is because my mentality, and skills go up. needing support or not, things do get better. Unless someone like a sociopath intervenes. That may complicate things to the point of disease, so I guess it's circumstantial.


No need to apologize... we are all just... us... the thing is... wikipedia is not a valid source of any authoritative information... Anyone can edit it... And anyone does... like most things on the internet, that is not a good thing.

The medical and dictionary definitions are the valid ones...


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15 Apr 2014, 9:52 pm

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different countries have different understandings of words, disease is regulary used to describe ASD in america for example but woud be frowned upon in the UK.

am not offended to the word but dont believe it fits,a disease of the brain woud usualy imply that someone had a normal functioning brain but then becomes diseased,whereas ASD is strongly believed to be pre natal resulting from genetics,it was recognised [although not always understood] by parents of many autists as young babies including self.
this is just own understanding of it and the word disease.


No. It wouldn't. Sickle cell anemia... is a disease that one has from birth. It does not manifest later in life, the body does not change to bring it forth.

You are adding things to the word that are not there by the definition. This is what I have been saying for years... there is a stigma with the word... and most of the people I talk to about it, give reasons for hating it (most of which are implications and emotional connotations) that do not exist...

The word disease does not, and has never had a component of change.

22q11.2 deletion syndrome, Angelman syndrome, Canavan disease, Charcot–Marie–Tooth disease, Cri du chat, Cystic fibrosis, Haemophilia... All of these are examples of diseases that start in the womb, from genetics... some get worse (being degenerative) others do not... but none of them were absent and then present.


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