Overdoses From Heroin On The Rise In The US

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10 Oct 2014, 9:17 pm

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they need to make usable pot in a form tolerable to those of us who cannot inhale smoke. btw IMHO pot brownies taste funny. :eew:

You didn't have good cannabutter. Good edibles are indistinguishable from regular food.

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unpleasantly high, sounds intriguing

It's not. Everyone should say within personal limits. If you must though, dabs are where it's at. Dabs are 0-11 in the time it takes blood to travel from the lungs to the brain.


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10 Oct 2014, 9:23 pm

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they need to make usable pot in a form tolerable to those of us who cannot inhale smoke. btw IMHO pot brownies taste funny. :eew:

You didn't have good cannabutter. Good edibles are indistinguishable from regular food.

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unpleasantly high, sounds intriguing

It's not. Everyone should say within personal limits. If you must though, dabs are where it's at. Dabs are 0-11 in the time it takes blood to travel from the lungs to the brain.

what's a "dab"?



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10 Oct 2014, 9:27 pm

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Yep, tranqs (benzos and antipsychotics) come under the same class, and I recall Ritalin and similar come under the next one up with Codeine and other "milder" narcotic pain killers (older tranqs like Barbiturates, Cannabis and some others too). The one up from that is Heroin and similar, which is the most controlled.

I suppose you can say we can get them if needed, those of us with disorders that is, whereas those who do it for recreation (whatever they so happen to get from it), have to go the illegal route, with the associated risks and danger there (ironically, it's probably more dangerous to make these things illegal for the users).

That's kinda the same with most things in regulated societies though. The dreaded "need".

The regulated way doesn't seem to work [as those that don't "need" them still get them], though it does produce revenue for various government agencies and to give them purpose.

I'm not a fan of drug addicts, like my father, but it would have been a lot easier on my family if he didn't have to spend $2000 a day for his fix, rather a much smaller amount through a typical chemist (or like cigarettes). Ironically, the laws made it harder for the victims of my father.


What the hell was he on that cost two grand a f*****g day? The worst smack addicts spent 160 a day, what the f**k was he on? FUTURE DRUGS? It's completely impossible to shoot that much smack a day. that is a bundle. Even the worst junkie has some left over for a wakeup from a bundle, and that's getting her friends high too!

No crack is f*****g expensive. It's way beyond coke in price and way less in the way of a buzz. A dime gets you high 30 mins. Nobody wants that. Well, yess, some do apparantly but still. Logical people don't. Have I tried it? Yes. It made my mouth hurt, it made my heart beat hard and made ,e scared/ Coke didn't do that. Coke went down in price after crack came around. Then again, the coke you could get back then was decent and what you can get now is bunk. A gram was 100. No it's 50, tops. It's all ether washed. You can tell cause of the deisel fuel smell you get after and the horrible drip. It all sucks now. If 15 people and a SNL crew came to my house and said "Mary, do some coke" I wouldn't. Know why? Cause it's crap now! If one of those people was Marty McFly and had a time machine, then I might but I won't otherwise. Coke is s**t now. Crack ruined it.

There are no good drugs like back in the day. You can't get s**t anymore. Quaaludes are gone, coke blows, no pun intended, nobody has decent speed, the drug scen sucks. I hate pot.I so do, so forget that.


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10 Oct 2014, 9:33 pm

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unpleasantly high, sounds intriguing

It's not. Everyone should say within personal limits. If you must though, dabs are where it's at. Dabs are 0-11 in the time it takes blood to travel from the lungs to the brain.

what's a "dab"?

Hash oil, that's 90% cannabinoids.

http://www.theweedblog.com/what-are-dabs/

It hits you so hard it will be better than your first.


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10 Oct 2014, 9:41 pm

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Hash oil, that's 90% cannabinoids.
http://www.theweedblog.com/what-are-dabs/
It hits you so hard it will be better than your first.

thanx :) I wonder how it compares to the combo of Ativan, versed and fentanyl that I got in the hospital.



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10 Oct 2014, 9:57 pm

auntblabby wrote:
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Hash oil, that's 90% cannabinoids.
http://www.theweedblog.com/what-are-dabs/
It hits you so hard it will be better than your first.

thanx :) I wonder how it compares to the combo of Ativan, versed and fentanyl that I got in the hospital.

It feels very synthetic. That point where the world zooms in and out, everything becomes crystal clear and your necks begins to vibrate as illustrated below.
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10 Oct 2014, 9:59 pm

that is weird :alien: but good :lol:



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10 Oct 2014, 10:50 pm

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What the hell was he on that cost two grand a f*****g day?


:lol:

The price of heroin in Oz is way more than elsewhere. So, a $200 a day habit in the US can mean a $2000 one in Oz.

Throw in the amphetamines too afterwards.

You should know this though, right?



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11 Oct 2014, 4:01 am

Dillogic wrote:
OliveOilMom wrote:
What the hell was he on that cost two grand a f*****g day?


:lol:

The price of heroin in Oz is way more than elsewhere. So, a $200 a day habit in the US can mean a $2000 one in Oz.

Throw in the amphetamines too afterwards.

You should know this though, right?



mate you are paying way too much your getting your smack get a better dealer :D



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11 Oct 2014, 5:18 am

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mate you are paying way too much your getting your smack get a better dealer :D


That s**t was a over decade ago, so perhaps they've been able to get more over here to lower the price. But it was generally 10 times the price here than the US.



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11 Oct 2014, 6:09 am

Here's part of the problem.

10 years ago I went to the hospital because I had a case of conjunctivitis. The doctor I saw was concerned about any pain that I was in, and I really couldn't convince him that any pain from it was quite trivial, and that there was no need for pain killers.

He wrote me a script for ibuprofen, and another for hydrocodone. I didn't even bother to get the script for hydrocodone filled, and just stuck with the ibuprofen.

The problem is that doctors are writing out scripts for opiates like they were dinner mints, and more than a few people go along with it and become addicted to them. -- Then when the script gets shut off, they move on to getting street drugs.


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11 Oct 2014, 6:31 am

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The problem is that doctors are writing out scripts for opiates like they were dinner mints, and more than a few people go along with it and become addicted to them. -- Then when the script gets shut off, they move on to getting street drugs.


In my father's case, he was a heroin addict in his early twenties. And as we know, when their body gets the taste..., he had surgery in his forties, and they gave him morphine, and away we all went, down that sh***y hole.

I had surgery too and they gave me morphine (the same with most people), and it just took away the pain (not that I needed it as the pain wasn't bad).

Most people are generally fine with opiate based pain killers when they need them. We shouldn't punish these people, which are the majority, so writing out scripts for milder ones should be fine in almost all cases.



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11 Oct 2014, 6:31 pm

Dillogic wrote:
Fogman wrote:
The problem is that doctors are writing out scripts for opiates like they were dinner mints, and more than a few people go along with it and become addicted to them. -- Then when the script gets shut off, they move on to getting street drugs.


In my father's case, he was a heroin addict in his early twenties. And as we know, when their body gets the taste..., he had surgery in his forties, and they gave him morphine, and away we all went, down that sh***y hole.

I had surgery too and they gave me morphine (the same with most people), and it just took away the pain (not that I needed it as the pain wasn't bad).

Most people are generally fine with opiate based pain killers when they need them. We shouldn't punish these people, which are the majority, so writing out scripts for milder ones should be fine in almost all cases.


Generally speaking, this is OK, but they should also be warned that they should cease using them at 7 days, or at least only be given a 7 day supply w/o any chance of a refill, as it takes about 10 days to develop a physical habit. --After a hernia operation in 2004, I was given a scrip for oxycodone, and warned of the fact that they were habit forming after 10 days. --I quit using them after 5 days, and lived with some pain for a few days, which was bearable due to the fact that I'm fairly hyposensitive to pain.


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11 Oct 2014, 10:22 pm

Fogman wrote:
Generally speaking, this is OK, but they should also be warned that they should cease using them at 7 days, or at least only be given a 7 day supply w/o any chance of a refill, as it takes about 10 days to develop a physical habit. --After a hernia operation in 2004, I was given a scrip for oxycodone, and warned of the fact that they were habit forming after 10 days. --I quit using them after 5 days, and lived with some pain for a few days, which was bearable due to the fact that I'm fairly hyposensitive to pain.

not many people are blessed to be hyposensitive to pain, so that means for the majority of us who are living with chronic pain, extended prescriptions for narcotics are required.



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11 Oct 2014, 10:49 pm

And taking it for chronic pain is perfectly valid if you're a regulation fan.

It's just when you don't have the pain then you've hit "recreation", which regulation fans don't like.

(I'm cool with people taking things for genuine reasons or for none at all, legally. The latter do it anyway.)



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11 Oct 2014, 11:05 pm

in America, chronic pain is among the most undertreated of ailments, relative to other nations.