is it ok to ban the hijab??

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sorry thanx for the advice next time ill try not to type so fast x

You don't address the fact that Jewish culture is firmly intertwined with yours, and that, more importantly, N American society has major differences, compared to ours, in its ethnic make up. Also, Islam is a third world religion, and its followers are the ones who should be making the effort to fit in when they come here, and not the other way around. Islam is not part of our culture. It's only in the last few decades that its followers have arrived here in droves, getting state handouts to settle, whilst many plot to cause us terrible harm, protected by the silent majority's allegiance to religion first, and nation second.

As for banning the hijab, I'm not really too keen on resorting to legislation to tackle one small part of a large problem. I do believe that people should have freedom to dress as they wish, it's just unfortunate that our uninvited guests abuse this. Certainly, if existing law requires in a certain circumstance that a person's face be visible, then even those who interpret their religion as requiring the face be covered should be expected to comply. If they don't like that, they can go to the local airport and get a one-way ticket back where they came from.

the whole nurses and doctor thing totally baffels me too
its that authority thing
for example i am not allowed to have my pony tail touching my neck or wear more than one plaon stud yet doctors can have there hair down and wear dangly earring s and ties and shirts of there own
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I tell you, they can go back to where they came from if they wish to have any sort of Sharia court, too. To me Sharia characterizes the reason they left in the first place.

As Christianity is intertwined with Judaism, Muslim is also intertwined with Judaism. We all fight because it is one religion under one God, not three or four different ones.

Yes, this is trotted-out by liberals so often that the whole world already knows. The fact is that most real British people have ancestors that have lived here for over 500 years. In fact, analysis of DNA can link certain individuals to remains of people who lived here over 9,000 years ago. In the context of this particular type of discussion, if you've ancestors who've lived here for over 500 years, whilst our nation and its culture have evolved, then to all intents and purposes you are indigenous.

Indeed. Unfortunately, a lot of them are quite keen on this Sharia law.

There is more than one idiot in every crowd.

To an average American, traditional Muslim dress is a reminder of the fact that Muslims want to take over the world, and most of us don't want that to happen and see them as having absolutely no right to do it.

Animal rights groups are just about the only groups that are more irritating that way.

I live in an inner city area of a large northern UK city and I've never seen anyone dressed like this, not even once

this is an Afghan burqa you've shown here, I see a few women wearing niqab (which is the face veil) but very few statistically. Plenty of women wear the hijab, which is when the hair is covered but even then to say this dress 'dominates many districts' is just hyperbole

such exaggeration to make a point does nothing but undermine the position

Fair enough. But hijabs are not face veils. Burqa's cover the entire face/head and only have small peep holes for the eyes. Niqab's are face veils that cover the nose and mouth. Hijabs would not obscure any facial features, so I really don't see how an argument can be made that those could create problems as far as having driver's license or ID pictures taken (and there was a case in the U.S. where someone was forced to remove a Niqab over an ID photo).

BTW, I have been to the UK before ~15 years ago, mostly stayed in London, and I saw a pretty ethnically diverse population (Seikh's wearing Turbans on their head, Ultra-orthodox Jews with their black hats) - much moreso than in the Czech Republic or France. At the time, the U.K. struck me as much more tolerant than France (where I was living). Their Arab problem was pretty severe - the parents wanted to keep their old customs, while the kids wanted to be French. This resulted in quite a few honor killings - it wansn't terribly unusual to hear that someone found the body of a teenage girl in some Arab neighborhood in Paris. I don't know if there are any such problems with the Arabs in the U.K. these days...

You obviously don't travel around the UK much, old chap. This dress does dominate many districts of large cities: head to foot in black, with a tiny slit for the eyes.

Well, there has been a problem with honour killings amongst the muslim population in general. That together with forced marriages, and people being kidnapped and forcibly taken abroad.

Things have moved on a bit in the last 15 years, or so, as far as our tolerance is concerned. Of course, in many areas people get on quite well together, but in others there's deep mistrust and resentment on both sides. I fear that when our economy inevitably enters the doldrums once again, and mass unemployment returns, this will spill over into rioting and bloodshed.

I don't think the headscarf (whatever the proper name is) should be banned but we're not allowed hoodies or baseball caps in school grounds because they cover faces and are therefore 'intidmating' so if it covers that amount of face or more...I would agree with banning it. IN SCHOOL GROUNDS OR PLACES WHERE THE FACE HAS TO BE UNCOVERED BY REGULATION.

Or bus passes - PEOPLE CANNOT IDENTIFY YOU JUST BY YOUR EYES.

Story:

Girl gets on bus with bus pass in hand, veiled so that only her eyes are showing. Hands busdriver pass. Busdriver asks her to let her see her face (so he can match photo with girl). Girl kicks up storm, claiming bus driver is discrimanitiing muslims.

No, it's just to prove that you didn't steal the bus pass.

And you have to bend certain parts of your religion here.

Besides which, it's only your hair covering that you can claim is 'required by your religion'. The rest is just you being strict with it.

I am glad you noted the difference, Janicka. My remarks regarding the hajib in specific are incorrect.

I think, however, that covering a part of the face in regards to ID could be an issue because it makes identification more difficult. From my understanding, even in the Arab countries that allow women to drive they require women to show their faces on IDs.

[quote="sigholdaccountlost"]I don't think the headscarf (whatever the proper name is) should be banned but we're not allowed hoodies or baseball caps in school grounds because they cover faces and are therefore 'intidmating' so if it covers that amount of face or more...I would agree with banning it. IN SCHOOL GROUNDS OR PLACES WHERE THE FACE HAS TO BE UNCOVERED BY REGULATION.

Or bus passes - PEOPLE CANNOT IDENTIFY YOU JUST BY YOUR EYES.

Story:

Girl gets on bus with bus pass in hand, veiled so that only her eyes are showing. Hands busdriver pass. Busdriver asks her to let her see her face (so he can match photo with girl). Girl kicks up storm, claiming bus driver is discrimanitiing muslims.

No, it's just to prove that you didn't steal the bus pass.

i agree
what about banks? i used to work for a huge bank before i found out how racist and judgemental they were and no one was allowed in with there head or face covered yet religious dress is exceptable!

Eh, I wouldn't worry about him. He's shooting off at the mouth here because he has anonymity. No way he'd have the balls to utter that kind of nonsense to someone's face.

Maybe I'm disgusted by your Political Correctness