detroit man left to rot in prison cell over traffic ticket

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01 Oct 2015, 3:11 pm

^^^yeh, I imagine in many minds the term "cruel" is either non-existent or has been redefined as "you deserve worse you worthless @#$%?!"



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01 Oct 2015, 3:13 pm

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Over the last year or so within the North American continent I've seen various news stories where persons have committed a low level offense and yet wind up being treated like some high profile murder and treated in many ways very inhumanely.. I've had a traffic citation once in my life but, I neither wound up in jail nor did I wind up deceased either.. 8O


Where you live they must not have a "for profit" criminal justice system. The way it works here in the states is: the state cedes control of the jails to a private "for profit" business. Said business cuts costs wherever possible to increase profit, including in many cases breaking the law to make said cuts-- I wouldn't be at all surprised if the jail in this story was privately owned. The jail business may also pay off judges and law enforcement (you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours) to make sure a steady stream of revenue (ahem, prisoners) is generated. Sounds fun right?



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01 Oct 2015, 3:16 pm

Macomb County Executive Mark Hackel (the previous county sheriff) held a press conference today firing back at everyone.

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Macomb County Executive Mark Hackel says he knows "damn well" that deputies did exactly what they were expected to do when they responded to an unconscious inmate who later died.


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Hackel said the video that was aired didn't represent what really happened -- and that the facts are meant to be held to a standard in the court of law, and not the court of public opinion.


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"I’m not allowed to defend these officers because there’s pending litigation, and the attorney knew that," Hackel said.

Hackel said a corrections officer started doing CPR on Stojcevski as soon as he realized something was wrong.

“You’ve got a correction officer and he’s got monitors watching everything that’s going on, but he focused on that particular person. He’s looking at him thinking, ‘Something just doesn’t look right here,'" Hackel said. "He’s watching and he sees that the chest stops moving. I mean, that is incredible. You talk about hard to watch a man die, think about the corrections officer who saw that happen, jumped out of his chair, called medical staff and went in there while he was in the process of doing that to start providing CPR."

Ihrie said the county has said shifted the blame onto private contractor Correct Care Solutions.

"If indeed the statements that 'We lived up to our legal responsibility' is the position of the defendants, then you really have to look at what does one think their legal responsibilities are," Ihrie said. "That withdrawal did not just occur in a day hour or minute, it occurred, according to the coroner, over the course of weeks," Ihrie said.http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/maco ... y/35588006


The county is going all out to prove it's "innocence"


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01 Oct 2015, 3:18 pm

in our nation one superior class of folk has decided an inferior [in their view] class of folk needs to be exterminated, piecemeal in practice if not in their heart-of-hearts intent.



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01 Oct 2015, 4:54 pm

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Macomb County jails are overcrowded while the county itself doesn't have the funds to better staff the jails and the other agencies.
Macomb County residents have blocked attempts at taxes and tax increases.
Macomb County has a drug problem, especially amongst the middle class and working class white populations.
The drug related offenses are overwhelming the Macomb courts.

the man who died had brush ins regarding the law over illegal drugs and traffic issues.
He failed to appear in traffic court, which is how he wound up in jail.

The man was not a working class person, but a junkie/druggie who repeatedly relapsed into drugs and while failing to hold a regular job.
He's not innocent in this.

Also mental health services are quite underfunded but better funded than the neighboring states.

It would have been much worse if he was imprisoned in Ohio, hell Ohio would have silenced this and blocked it from going to court.


I see you know MCJ!

I grew up in a city in Macomb County.

Macomb County Jail has had a horrendous history of over crowding. Going back to the 1980s. There have been numerous court orders to release prisoners to get it back to the legal occupancy limits.

Macomb County is very very conservative. Most of the people who originally moved there (like my dad), fled Detroit due to the 1968 riots. Those crusty old and not so old people will never part with a DIME to me the jail more habitable. I don't know how many bond issues they have voted down.

Most of Macomb County's population has no f***s to give about prisoners.

Especially if you are

1. Black (they really have no f***s to give)
2. Substance abusers
3. Mentally ill

Governor Engler gutted our mental health system in the 1990s. People who would have been stabilize in a state hospital, now wander the street. Community Mental Health services is an absolute farce.

If this happened in Wayne County, it would have never been news. (Detroit is in Wayne County.)

Anyway...how s**t like this happens.

Guy gets pulled over for a bench warrenty, or a traffic stop.

Guy gets aggressive with cops.

Guy can't post bail because he's poor/no friends or family/too strung out to call anyone.

So he rots until his court date.

So he goes through withdrawals. This is a jail, not a prison. I doubt they even have a physician's asistant there 24/7. Maybe a LPN? No one will move their ass because to transfer you to a hospital setting means two staffers have to go with the prisoner, and the staff has to stay. MCJ is short staffed, so it a roll of the dice what they will do with someone who "appears" to be ill. Most likely strip you naked and throw you in an observation room, and hopefully watch you.

MCJ is over filled with guys not able to post bond for BS stuff. Traffic tickets, drugs, DUIs, disorderly conduct...bench warrants they ignored. Most have that lovely combo of substance abuse and mental illness. Instead of detox/psychiatric stabilization, now the MCJ is the new psychiatric hospital for the poor.

I'm totally not surprised happened. People know to not drive through Warren, Sterling Heights, Shelby Township, Utica, Clinton Township, Harrison Township while messed up on booze or drugs. Those cops will beat you down if you act up. Bonus beat downs if you are a minority.

No one will part with another tax dollar to help out the dregs.

My friend's biggest fear for her Aspie son is driving through Warren, Sterling Heights, Utica and having a traffic stop in any of those three places. You better yes sir no sir or it's off to jail for you if you get chippy with the officer.



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01 Oct 2015, 5:04 pm

that sounds like hell on earth to me, hell on earth to anybody except for the devils administering the hell on earth, to them it is heaven on earth.



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01 Oct 2015, 5:23 pm

Oh Mark (Hackel)...

You are just too cute for words...

I'm sure you will move heaven and Earth to cover this mess up. And you know a good 80% of the population doesn't care if another substance abuse bites the dust from neglect or otherwise.

*popping popcorn for the show*



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01 Oct 2015, 5:27 pm

I wonder what percentage of these Macomb county PTB devils considers themselves to be "good Christians"?



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01 Oct 2015, 9:32 pm

auntblabby wrote:
I wonder what percentage of these Macomb county PTB devils considers themselves to be "good Christians"?

Macomb County is a highly diverse county with plenty of non Protestants, though Protestants still make up the majority.
They also have a good sized muslim population.

@Tawaki
I'm well aware of Macomb County.
Hell I live in Oakland and refuse to move to Macomb.

Though I have sister, aunt and uncle (and their kids), and my grandmother (who moved their after retiring to be closer to my aunt and uncle).

My step uncle and aunt also live in Macomb and their adult kids.
Though I wonder what happened to my step cousin's boyfriend, whether or not he was charged with the death of my step cousin (she was 19 this summer when she died).
He was driving when they had the head on collision (they crossed the median into on coming traffic), believed he was on drugs.

Anyways Macomb County lacks the resources to develop, because the voters keep refusing to pay the taxes to do so.
Hell Crime is one of the major voting issues in Macomb County at every election.
The people of Macomb are obsessed with crime.
Macomb is essentially a massive tax heaven for those feeling Livingston, Oakland, Wayne and Washtenaw.

Wayne lacks the prosecutors to put people in jail creating a backlog of cases.
They didn't even need to build a new county jail, but it was pushed through due to corruption.
Wayne county is being investigated for corruption and wasteful spending.


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02 Oct 2015, 6:43 pm

xenocity wrote:
Macomb County jails are overcrowded while the county itself doesn't have the funds to better staff the jails and the other agencies.
Macomb County residents have blocked attempts at taxes and tax increases.
Macomb County has a drug problem, especially amongst the middle class and working class white populations.
The drug related offenses are overwhelming the Macomb courts.

the man who died had brush ins regarding the law over illegal drugs and traffic issues.
He failed to appear in traffic court, which is how he wound up in jail.

The man was not a working class person, but a junkie/druggie who repeatedly relapsed into drugs and while failing to hold a regular job.
He's not innocent in this.

Also mental health services are quite underfunded but better funded than the neighboring states.

It would have been much worse if he was imprisoned in Ohio, hell Ohio would have silenced this and blocked it from going to court.


He may not be innocent, what he is though, is a victim of how the system works.

A nurse suggested he be put into detox, not a mental health cell, if he was in detox perhaps he would have lived.



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02 Oct 2015, 8:00 pm

other, more civilized nations do not permit stuff like this to happen.



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07 Oct 2015, 11:35 am

From clickondetroit.com the sheriff said private contractor CCS (Correct Care Solutions is a contract provider for inmate mental health and healthcare) is in charge of deciding if an inmate needs to go to the hospital. The deputies notified medical staff on numerous occasions. CCS never decided if this inmate should go to the hospital.

Once again, the glories of privatization. :skull:

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/sher ... view=print


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07 Oct 2015, 12:07 pm

justkillingtime wrote:
From clickondetroit.com the sheriff said private contractor CCS (Correct Care Solutions is a contract provider for inmate mental health and healthcare) is in charge of deciding if an inmate needs to go to the hospital. The deputies notified medical staff on numerous occasions. CCS never decided if this inmate should go to the hospital.

Once again, the glories of privatization. :skull:

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/sher ... view=print


...and another link in the bureaucratic chain to offload blame. Yay for corporate America, we're the greatest!



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07 Oct 2015, 9:13 pm

it's all about externalizing costs. money is the only thing that matters here.