DNA database 'will span most of the UK population'

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Ok, as a christian i can see why you would consider a lot of Ickes chapters nonsense, for instance he says that its quite likely that jesus didnt exist, and the story of jesus is an update continuing from earlier middle-east religions.

I personally dont have a major problem with those claims, or even some of the others that are even less tolerated in western societies. I do have time for Alex Jones (hes got a great infectious spirit of determinism & rebellion, and is helping wake people up) but ive simply got more time for Icke as he talks about the global-conspiracy from what i consider to be a far broader, multi-dimensional perspective. he also seems to travels further, and reports directly from people who dont have close links to the internet/western world.

Too much junk about Iraq here.. I hate reading when people go offtopic and always seems to be the same person and going on and on about Iraq. *yawn*

Now about the DNA database.. This is something I like and I think everyone should have DNA records on the database. I cant think of anything bad about it at all it just seems like the perfect too to solving crimes and I am no criminal so what do I care?

If the government do choose to use my DNA to create a superhuman they are welcome to do so just so long as I dont have a kid knocking on my door in 20years looking for his/her/its genetic parents.

I would like to hear peoples reasons for not wanting DNA databases?

I think it's worrying. It will lead to the police and the public thinking "your DNA is there, so you must have done it". More people's records on that database will lead to more false matches. DNA, like so many other things, can be useful in catching criminals but it is not the be-all and end-all. I also do not like the assertion that I must be a criminal if I want to keep my DNA away from a government database. You may have found people like me being more willing to co-operate with the law but now? We're all guilty anyway, so what's the point? It's the reversal of the role between citizen and state that is the issue here and the sooner we get a more moderate government, the better.

But there is no doubt that having a DNA database can save peoples lives. It can protect children/women by capturing paedophiles and rapists. It will help us take murderers off the street faster than ever because they will have immediate access to DNA profiles and can bring people in. These are all the reasons you could ever need for doing it and all you have to do is give your DNA and trust that by doing so will have no effect on your life.

It is clear that people are afraid of people being accused of something they didnt do because their DNA is at the scene. But this also means the DNA can proove it wasnt them when they would be seen as the most likely suspects. I dont think you give the police enough credit by saying they would think "your DNA is there, so you must have done it". They see that a home is covered with hundreds of different peoples DNA so cant assume all 100 are responsible for a crime but know where start looking only.

From what I know of police methods is the only times when DNA can be considered the be-all and end-all is on any attack on a person where the DNA evidence is left on the victim like under the fingernails when fighting back which would always be beyond random contamination of the scene.

I know there is a tiny chance for false matches but they have learned so much about DNA in the last 10 years and are still going to learn much more and having a full database actually would decrease the chance of mistakes by presenting all the people with similar DNA profiles to be looked at.

How do you try to disprove a case when the police say, "Your DNA is there. You did it." when you know you are innocent? It can only lead to lazy policing and miscarriages of justice.

I believe there is more miscarriages of justice because of lack of DNA evidence. DNA just improves accuracy but in cases where there is chances your DNA will be on the scene because you work or visit that place then stray hairs proove nothing. Police know this and most importantly your lawyer will know this so you wouldnt even be taken to court for lack of proof.

I cant think of any case where they can say, "Your DNA is there. You did it." except for those cases where DNA gets in places where only the person who commited the crime could have.

All these anti-DNA Database stuff is just sensationalised by the media and almost everyone in the country just likes to follow popular opinion.

Please just look at what your telling me and if there is any real logic behind actually believing what your saying or are you just repeating what others are saying without actually thinking in detail about it?

I may have seen a dispatches/panorama type program many years ago where a miscarriage of justice occured because of a cock-up in the DNA matching lab.

Yeah I have seen programmes like that too on various mistakes in DNA testing. I think it is important that DNA tests be done more than once in totally different labs. But DNA evidence helps to prevent miscarriages of justice all the time.