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14 Apr 2007, 6:25 pm

Belifs aside, where do the Chaldeans fit in the internal politics of Iraq. I know that Saddam had Aziz in his cabinet, but when the current government (if you want to call it that) was being formed, the competing interests of the Shia, Sunni, and Kurds were discussed, but I didn't hear a damned thing about the Chaldeans (aside from the current persecution they suffer from the fundamentalist Shia Muslim nutters, like you've already mentioned).



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14 Apr 2007, 6:36 pm

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Belifs aside, where do the Chaldeans fit in the internal politics of Iraq. I know that Saddam had Aziz in his cabinet, but when the current government (if you want to call it that) was being formed, the competing interests of the Shia, Sunni, and Kurds were discussed, but I didn't hear a damned thing about the Chaldeans (aside from the current persecution they suffer from the fundamentalist Shia Muslim nutters, like you've already mentioned).


Well although the Chaldeans are 100 percent Iraqi in customs and cuisine etc with of course a few differences which are not o strange as every village and town has its own differences and cuisines - lol maybe the West should split it up into many different village states in a sort of reverse of the beginings of civilization which started in that part of the world - they nevertheless are a population of 1 million and dropping so they are quite happy to live co existantly with their fellow countrymen who are of course Muslim. The Christians have great respect for the Muslims, they are our brothers and sisters.

This is why President Saddam regarded and trusted the Christians because he knows they are not a threat in a way that the present Shia bunch are - the Dawa party people. The Dawa is pretty much alike to the Uks fascist National front... :twisted: Probably Dawa lot and Sadr's poor and uneducated lot account for a minority of Shia i must say.

Most Iraqis be they Sunni, Kurd, Shia, or Christian support attacks against occupation forces.


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14 Apr 2007, 6:41 pm

It is a misconception brought about by black ops, propoganda, gross exagerations and a concerted conspiracy to demonize Iraqis and turn people against them so that the West and Israel can slaughter in order to plunder.

The Baath party in fact was THE non sectarian party in Iraq and you may note that amongs the 15 or so medium to top echelon party members alongside Saddam who were tried and are in the process of being executed or as it would seem, slaughtered are or were in fact a mixture of Kurds, Sunnis, Shias and a Christian.

You may note also that for a party of thugs and thieves they have conducted themeselves with the utmost honour - even going to the gallows rather than say a bad word about the man who was their leader.


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14 Apr 2007, 9:29 pm

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I don't know about the "enemies on every border" statement. Enemies of Saddam, yes. Now that he is deposed, Iran and Syria are funnelling weapons to the Iraqi resistance because of a common enemy - the U.S. While they are not nearly as impressive in financial or military ability as the USSR was during Vietnam or Korea, they are providing the Iraqi resistance with firepower that would not be available had the U.S. sent enough troops to secure the border in the first place. This problem for the U.S. is furtehr compounded by the Iraqi's ingenuity, bravery, and patience, as you say. Under Saddam Hussein, the Iraqi's were well known for their ability utilize whatever resources were available to get a job done - I had heard one report about Iraqi engineers field stripping a turbine that would have been destined for a landfill in any other nation and restoring it to working order.

What has been grossly underestimated by the Bush administration is the willingness of the American people to make sacrifices to support shaky foreign policy. During WWII, people were willing to put up with rations, shortages, drafts, and soldier mortality rates of around 50%. I can't imagine that it was easy to stomach those types of losses - that was was immensely unpopular as well, at times - but it's a proven fact that the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor, unlike the ficticious Iraq - 9/11 link. If Americans were willing to make the sorts of sacrifices and stomach the enemy civilian casualties that were needed to win WWII (not to mention all the damage to the oil fields that two nuclear bombs would cause).


Actually you are full of sh**. You think you arent full of propoganda but in fact you are heavily riddled with brainwashied lies.

Tara sucker.


I just re read this and i owe you an appology. I am very sorry i must not have read your post properly the first time and completely take back my words. Thankyou and much respect for not retaliating.


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15 Apr 2007, 12:17 am

Apology accepted - I didn't really understand where that came from - generally speaking I'm on your side!

I pretty much know that Saddam Hussein ran a secular government and about his policy of Pan-Arabism. I think the first time I heard that he had a Christian in the upper eschelons of his government I was pretty surprised because that seemed to be out of line with the other countries in the region that are run as theocracies.

I know that life under Saddam wasn't a walk in the park, but I'm sure that most Iraqi's would probably take Saddam over the current situaion. People think I'm nuts when I say that, but I lived under a pretty oppressive regime myself and life was generally pretty good (so long as you stayed under the radar). Definitely better than a war zone, anyway.



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15 Apr 2007, 12:29 am

Apology accepted - I didn't really understand where that came from - generally speaking I'm on your side!

I pretty much know that Saddam Hussein ran a secular government and about his policy of Pan-Arabism. I think the first time I heard that he had a Christian in the upper eschelons of his government I was pretty surprised because that seemed to be out of line with the other countries in the region that are run as theocracies.

I know that life under Saddam wasn't a walk in the park, but I'm sure that most Iraqi's would probably take Saddam over the current situaion. People think I'm nuts when I say that, but I lived under a pretty oppressive regime myself and life was generally pretty good (so long as you stayed under the radar). Definitely better than a war zone, anyway.



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15 Apr 2007, 4:28 am

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Who broke it? Iraqi Resistance.


You mean Allah.



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15 Apr 2007, 4:31 am

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Who broke it? Iraqi Resistance.


You mean Allah.


Correction, with the will of Allah the IR are destroying the invaders and making them taste defeat. Inshallah. 8)


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15 Apr 2007, 4:59 am

manilatwist, you overpost and underthink. There's no real point in debating these issues with a close-minded, aggressive and rude individual such as yourself. So instead, I will expose the base flaw of everything you claim:

You said:

Wrong. I have read just about everything on this whole matter over allmost two decades, your and the others cumulative information cannot come close.

Also and most importantly, being half Iraqi and half british means that i am 100 percent unbiased whereas many of you are racist, misiinformed and Xenophobic.

I say:

You do realise that everything you could possibly read is biased, including you and your own views and opinions? Nobody is '100% unbiased' like you claim to be, noone is even 1% unbiased - only ignorant. The nature of human existence is that of subjectivity.


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15 Apr 2007, 5:12 am

Mitch8817 wrote:
manilatwist, you overpost and underthink. There's no real point in debating these issues with a close-minded, aggressive and rude individual such as yourself. So instead, I will expose the base flaw of everything you claim:

You said:

Wrong. I have read just about everything on this whole matter over allmost two decades, your and the others cumulative information cannot come close.

Also and most importantly, being half Iraqi and half british means that i am 100 percent unbiased whereas many of you are racist, misiinformed and Xenophobic.

I say:

You do realise that everything you could possibly read is biased, including you and your own views and opinions? Nobody is '100% unbiased' like you claim to be, noone is even 1% unbiased - only ignorant. The nature of human existence is that of subjectivity.


Go spin yourself up your ass. IR is targeting the Australian invaders and decendents of criminals..


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15 Apr 2007, 5:40 am

Charming, you have proven my point. I think this thread has come to a close.


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15 Apr 2007, 6:34 am

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Charming, you have proven my point. I think this thread has come to a close.


Thats rich from someone who seemingly is obsessed with snake pilson of all things lol


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15 Apr 2007, 7:13 am

manalitwist wrote:
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Charming, you have proven my point. I think this thread has come to a close.


Thats rich from someone who seemingly is obsessed with snake pilson of all things lol


Yes, I have quoted a line from a movie he is in - I must be obsessed :roll:
And it's 'Plissken', not 'Pilson', see how it says right there in my sig? lol. Lock, anyone?


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15 Apr 2007, 7:23 am

Mitch8817 wrote:
manalitwist wrote:
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Charming, you have proven my point. I think this thread has come to a close.


Thats rich from someone who seemingly is obsessed with snake pilson of all things lol


Yes, I have quoted a line from a movie he is in - I must be obsessed :roll:
And it's 'Plissken', not 'Pilson', see how it says right there in my sig? lol. Lock, anyone?


Not sure what brought up Snake Plissken but count me as one obessed with him and Escape from New York :) One of my top ten favorite movies.



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15 Apr 2007, 7:42 am

It's in my sig. Yeah they're awesome. And let's not forget Big Trouble in Little China or The Thing too :wink:
Who can say no to a good Carpenter/Russell movie?


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15 Apr 2007, 7:45 am

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It's in my sig. Yeah they're awesome. And let's not forget Big Trouble in Little China or The Thing too :wink:
Who can say no to a good Carpenter/Russell movie?


I just looked up this deleted section of Escape from New York:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Riy0mRFjCbA&mode=related&search=[/youtube]