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shadexiii
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16 Apr 2007, 6:52 pm

Now they're saying the shootings might not even be related... The cop giving the press deal is not saying much. He's being really vague. Also trying to cover the ass of the university, since they really messed up in how they handled it.

I had heard earlier that doors in Norris were chained. At least two were chained to prevent access, most likely by the shooter. At least the shooter in that scene.

Like I said earlier, I had at one point heard from someone that had spoken (unofficially) with a cop that there were three suspected gunmen.

That's not confirmed though. I'll be happier if they come out and say they're linked.



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16 Apr 2007, 6:55 pm

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I think we're missing the point here...this goes a bit beyond hoping he doesn't ill represent us or our culture (or anyone and their culture)


Whether or not he ill represents quiet people or people with AS affects me quite directly actually. After that Combuline s**t all sorts of people would accuse me of s**t because I was the quiet type and kept to myself. If people started to harass me it was as if it was their God given right and if I showed the slightest indication I would defend myself from people who were going to physically harm me I would get dragged into the VP's office and sent to CD, but the as*holes who attacked me got off scott free. I'm going to hope to my heart's content that it was one of the extroverted f*****s that started this s**t so maybe they'll be treated like s**t for once and see how it felt to be treated the way I was.

Nobody's going to think to STOP raising sociopaths, or START having armed people to deal with this, nonono, it's all going to be blamed on one group of people. They are going to blame it on that kid's group and claim anything he liked to do made him go apeshit. And they are going to blame whatever he was using to conceal the weapon. They'll ban vests too, because he used a vest to hold his ammo.



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16 Apr 2007, 7:00 pm

I'm pretty sure ALL of us have been given that sort of s**t and bullied that way...that just comes with the AS territory. That will ALWAYS happen...after 9/11, Muslims and other "brown people" no longer count as citizens...during the Red era, "commies" weren't even human beings. That is just how the human mind works, and more specifically, that is how our country works. It is still a bit selfish to turn this into something about Asperger's, or ANYTHING beyond what it actually is.

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phenomenon wrote:
I think we're missing the point here...this goes a bit beyond hoping he doesn't ill represent us or our culture (or anyone and their culture)


Whether or not he ill represents quiet people or people with AS affects me quite directly actually. After that Combuline sh** all sorts of people would accuse me of sh** because I was the quiet type and kept to myself. If people started to harass me it was as if it was their God given right and if I showed the slightest indication I would defend myself from people who were going to physically harm me I would get dragged into the VP's office and sent to CD, but the as*holes who attacked me got off scott free. I'm going to hope to my heart's content that it was one of the extroverted f**** that started this sh** so maybe they'll be treated like sh** for once and see how it felt to be treated the way I was.

Nobody's going to think to STOP raising sociopaths, or START having armed people to deal with this, nonono, it's all going to be blamed on one group of people. They are going to blame it on that kid's group and claim anything he liked to do made him go apeshit. And they are going to blame whatever he was using to conceal the weapon. They'll ban vests too, because he used a vest to hold his ammo.



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16 Apr 2007, 7:03 pm

Wow. My home state is no longer the mass murder capitol of the world. Woo-hoo Image

Charles Whitman (the UT tower sniper) is no longer the worst college mass murderer in history. And the dude that wasted all those people at the Lubys in Waco is no longer the worst mass murderer ever.

Correction- the Luby's shooting was in Killeen, not Waco. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luby%27s_massacre



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16 Apr 2007, 7:05 pm

BubbaHoTep wrote:
Wow. My home state is no longer the mass murder capitol of the world. Woo-hoo http://www2.hornfans.com/wwwthreads/ima ... /frown.gif

Charles Whitman (the UT tower sniper) is no longer the worst college mass murderer in history. And the dude that wasted all those people at the Lubys in Waco is no longer the worst mass murderer ever.


Becarefull he may be from Texas and bought his guns here.



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16 Apr 2007, 7:18 pm

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Becarefull he may be from Texas and bought his guns here.


Joke or not, at this point the news outlets are reporting that he was a Chinese national on a student visa. It also stated that he was 24. This would make sense as for his second target, primarily upper level / grad student classes going on in that building from an e-mail of someone more aware of Norris Hall's purposes than me. Past the chemistry and psychology buildings, I don't often go into other buildings on campus.

I thought we had everything bigger in Texas as well. This roughly doubled the UT tower sniping incident.



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16 Apr 2007, 7:25 pm

Image

Im getting this as the building. The campus maps shows it much larger complex and this is pehaps one arm of a "]" shaped building.

15618 ESM 5124 Theory of Elasticity M W F 10:10-11:00 am NOR 204 De Vita


12808 ESM 3154 Solid Mechanics M W F 9:05-9:55 am NOR 204 Librescu

Possible classes effected.



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16 Apr 2007, 7:34 pm

TheMachine1 wrote:

Im getting this as the building. The campus maps shows it much larger complex and this is pehaps one arm of a "]" shaped building.


That looks to be the one. The ] description was pretty accurate. I know there's a covered walkway that splits it.

PHOTO REMOVED: Apparently that wasn't the guy.

Here's a link to another post I made showing the first four e-mails sent out by the university.
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16 Apr 2007, 7:36 pm

phenomenon wrote:
I think we're missing the point here...this goes a bit beyond hoping he doesn't ill represent us or our culture (or anyone and their culture)


I know it goes beyond that, but I admit it was one of my first thoughts, and, as TM1 pointed out, I also thought that likely some of the victims were AS or AS-ish.



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16 Apr 2007, 7:37 pm

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070416/ap_on_re_us/virginia_tech_shooting

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Trey Perkins, who was sitting in a German class in Norris Hall, told The Washington Post that the gunman barged into the room at about 9:50 a.m. and opened fire for about a minute and a half, squeezing off 30 shots in all.

The gunman, Perkins said, first shot the professor in the head and then fired on the students. Perkins said the gunman was about 19 years old and had a "very serious but very calm look on his face."

"Everyone hit the floor at that moment," said Perkins, 20, of Yorktown, Va., a sophomore studying mechanical engineering. "And the shots seemed like it lasted forever."
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Steger defended the university's handling of the tragedy, saying authorities believed that the shooting at the dorm was a domestic dispute and mistakenly thought the gunman had fled the campus.

"We had no reason to suspect any other incident was going to occur," he said.

Steger emphasized that the university closed off the dorm after the first attack and decided to rely on e-mail and other electronic means to notify members of the university, but with 11,000 people driving onto campus first thing in the morning, it was difficult to get the word out. He said that before the e-mail went out, the university began telephoning resident advisers in the dorms to notify them and sent people to knock on doors to spread the word. Students were warned to stay inside and away from the windows.


Well, this is part of an explanation why some were under lockdown and some weren't. But I can't believe there wouldn't be some kind of uniform alarm system. And other schools evacuate or lockdown no matter what has happened, even if it wasn't directly on campus.



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16 Apr 2007, 7:39 pm

KimJ wrote:

Well, this is part of an explanation why some were under lockdown and some weren't. But I can't believe there wouldn't be some kind of uniform alarm system. And other schools evacuate or lockdown no matter what has happened, even if it wasn't directly on campus.


There's no unified broadcast or alarm system on campus. Worse still, we were not notified until well after the first shooting, in fact it was a mere half hour before the second.



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16 Apr 2007, 7:39 pm

The worst school massacre (there was no shooting) was in 1927, the Bath School Massacre. 45 people killed, mostly children. A disgruntled taxpayer blew up a new elementary school.



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16 Apr 2007, 7:46 pm

Well, I'm combining that story with the report I heard on the radio, which included a student being interviewed that lived in the affected dorm. The student said they were all in their dorm rooms, on the floor, checking their emails right after the first shooting. Obviously this was confined to that particular building and unlikely to have spread anywhere else.



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16 Apr 2007, 7:49 pm

If an e-mail was sent solely to people in that dorm, I'm unaware of that. One person a single floor up from the shooting claimed he slept through it. Regardless, there was no campus-wide notification until over two hours after the first shooting.



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16 Apr 2007, 7:50 pm

shadexiii wrote:
KimJ wrote:

Well, this is part of an explanation why some were under lockdown and some weren't. But I can't believe there wouldn't be some kind of uniform alarm system. And other schools evacuate or lockdown no matter what has happened, even if it wasn't directly on campus.


There's no unified broadcast or alarm system on campus. Worse still, we were not notified until well after the first shooting, in fact it was a mere half hour before the second.


hmm... UW recently installed a whole bunch of those over the summer. I saw bullet holes in the windows of the cafeteria. 8O



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16 Apr 2007, 8:13 pm

Lots of mixed information going around. Now it is said that the RA involved in the first shooting was male. Didn't hear about the sex of the other victim.



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