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08 Apr 2016, 4:43 pm

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I really don't know about technology, maybe Ted Kaczynski had a point about this industrial society. Human labor will be completely replaced, computers will become smarter than every human that ever existed combined eventually, I think we will bring about our own undoing.

The scary thing is that could be a deterministic result of evolution, if not our own then some other pseudo-self-aware species' in the future. And yes, I believe the entirety of the universe is deterministic, but that's a discussion/debate for another thread.

There will be a time when machines are as alive as you or I are, they will be superior in every way so what do people expect to happen? We're going to play the role of the neanderthals while the machines will become man. How can't this be the inevitable result barring some intervention. I'm not sure we're better right now with all the technology we have today, I think it's hurting a lot more than it is helping. What can you do about it tho? Cat is out of the bag, Kascynski predicted there would be a revolution against technology but I dunno. We have to accept the fact that there even is a long term problem, there are too many people saying well there will be other jobs but there won't. We are being replaced, there is very little a person can do that a machine can't at eventually do much better and cheaper.

Imagine slavery but instead with machines, it doesn't make it all the sudden okay. Think about the effects that has on the rest of society.

Well that's kind of the thing. We've developed our technology far faster than our social and moral abilities to control said technology. That's why I say, this may be an intended part of evolution because any species that evolves gray matter like ours will have to go through the same thing and chances are they will fall prey to the same/similar trap.

I'm sure you've heard this one: Deal with that problem when it comes up, not now. Well, that's what we're doing with a lot of things such as environment, machine/human relationship, genetics, etc. Just throw the science out there and do stuff with it, and if bad stuff comes up the "market" or some other magical wand waving thing will correct it. And morality, well, I don't even know if they teach ethics in science departments anymore-- I didn't see one listed at my college, and that was like a decade ago. Basically people don't care because it will be their kids or grand children that have to deal with it, not them. Tossing responsibility off to the next generation is a common human theme.

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08 Apr 2016, 4:45 pm

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I don't understand why people want to be served by others so badly that they will risk destroying society because of it. I get antsy if I'm not moving around very much unless I'm really tired or sick and sometimes even then I still want to move around.

lol, nothing to say, just :wink:

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08 Apr 2016, 4:57 pm

Aristophanes wrote:

Basically people don't care because it will be their kids or grand children that have to deal with it, not them. Tossing responsibility off to the next generation is a common human theme.

another aspect of "externalizing costs."

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08 Apr 2016, 5:02 pm

auntblabby wrote:

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Basically people don't care because it will be their kids or grand children that have to deal with it, not them. Tossing responsibility off to the next generation is a common human theme.

another aspect of "externalizing costs."

Had to look that one up...that makes my day. :lol:

What I described you said in two words, so yes I concur.

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08 Apr 2016, 5:14 pm

I wonder if these various problems relating to civilizations destroying themselves, is just an earth type of civilizational Alzheimer's, or if it is something all civilizations in this universe run into?

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08 Apr 2016, 5:26 pm

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Lol, couldn't say since we know of no others. All I know is that life on earth built itself by carving itself up. That "instinct" exists in humans today and it's only a matter of time before it comes back and kills us like every other apex species before us. That really is the key to anything sustainable: you don't need to tame physical nature, just your own. That being said, I have no doubt some species as a whole will figure it out-- the purpose of humanity may just to be to leave evidence so the next psuedo-sentient species can make better choices and evolve true sentience.

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08 Apr 2016, 5:34 pm

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Lol, couldn't say since we know of no others. All I know is that life on earth built itself by carving itself up. That "instinct" exists in humans today and it's only a matter of time before it comes back and kills us like every other apex species before us. That really is the key to anything sustainable: you don't need to tame physical nature, just your own. That being said, I have no doubt some species as a whole will figure it out-- the purpose of humanity may just to be to leave evidence so the next pseudo-sentient species can make better choices and evolve true sentience.

being that there is persistent scuttlebutt regarding [technological] anachronisms found deeper in the earth's surface, it leads me to believe there have been civilizations on earth before us that met their end somehow, in a manner lost to history, such a loss of knowledge makes me wonder what is the use of it all, if no advantageously useful knowledge of results can be transmitted to presumably "new and improved" civilizations down the line.

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08 Apr 2016, 6:18 pm

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Lol, couldn't say since we know of no others. All I know is that life on earth built itself by carving itself up. That "instinct" exists in humans today and it's only a matter of time before it comes back and kills us like every other apex species before us. That really is the key to anything sustainable: you don't need to tame physical nature, just your own. That being said, I have no doubt some species as a whole will figure it out-- the purpose of humanity may just to be to leave evidence so the next pseudo-sentient species can make better choices and evolve true sentience.

Well, our current break from the ice-age will show up in the geological record, a future species will be able to see how rapidly the temperature changed during this period. If there's a nuclear holocaust that will also show up in the geological record. The way I see it, it's only a matter of time before some future species puts it all together. They'll know who we were-- we bury our dead, and with trinkets. The bodies may not survive time without fossilization, but the trinkets probably will. So they'll know we were at least moderately intelligent, and then they'll see this huge temperature increase and possible high radiation band and figure that we likely killed ourselves off.

Who knows it may take two. I wouldn't expect the next intelligent species to be much more so than us. They may follow the same mistakes all the while knowing the result, but not have the willpower to change. So yeah, perhaps third time is a charm. But that's the thing, the apex species that figures out self-control wins the game of evolution: smart enough not only to control the lesser species, but smart enough to control themselves as well, thus no need for further evolution because that species is in complete control.

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08 Apr 2016, 7:23 pm

I betcha by the time any future earth civilization starts getting it right, the sun will nova. too late for earth. some other planet will have to be the test bed, humanity had multiple, abundant chances and still blew it.

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09 Apr 2016, 3:36 am

Automating all the work currently done by humans wouldn’t be a problem if only the lack of work that needs to be done weren’t one.

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14 Apr 2016, 1:02 am

Barring a solar kill shot or an all-out EMP pissing contest, we will find out very soon the consequences of creating an Automation Nation.

"May you live in interesting times" :lol:

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17 Apr 2016, 1:24 pm

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One consideration is that the birthrate in technologically advanced countries seems to be in decline, so the lack of potential employees entering the workforce in the next few decades may lessen the impact of robots displacing jobs a bit.

My main interest will be seeing how the economy is impacted and adjusted to account for the declining number of wage earners. If no one has any money to spend on products, then the market for any business becomes smaller and smaller. You either end up with a handful of tiny robot-driven companies producing goods just for the rich 1% or the economy has to switch over to... I'm not entirely sure.

Well, some say that the Black Death with the loss of population did help plant the seeds for the Industrial Revolution later on. The Romans could have had the steam engine but with a huge number of people, many of whom were slaves, human labor was plentiful and cheap. The situation today for now is that we have a lot of people now.

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17 Apr 2016, 1:30 pm

auntblabby wrote:

Esme wrote:

One consideration is that the birthrate in technologically advanced countries seems to be in decline, so the lack of potential employees entering the workforce in the next few decades may lessen the impact of robots displacing jobs a bit. My main interest will be seeing how the economy is impacted and adjusted to account for the declining number of wage earners. If no one has any money to spend on products, then the market for any business becomes smaller and smaller. You either end up with a handful of tiny robot-driven companies producing goods just for the rich 1% or the economy has to switch over to... I'm not entirely sure.

"...or the economy has to switch over to...." - a UBI. bread and circuses.

Well as we talked about before, it will happen at some point if we keep on this current path. The UBI will most likely have to be funded by taxing the robots used directly and through licensing fees and/or taxing the profits that is made by robot labor. Alternately, we can go the Battlestar Galactica route (from the 1978 book based on the same series) where if a human can do the job, the use of robots are outlawed unless is is for hazardous duty. I do know that their war with the Cylons were a huge part of it too but it was used to keep people employed and have a purpose as well as "skin in the game."

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17 Apr 2016, 1:34 pm

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Why are they doing this? I hate robots. How are humans supposed to work and earn a living if everything will be ran by robots? Robots aren't humans, they don't need warmth, food, money, love, etc, so what's society doing chucking hard-working people on the dole and replacing them with wires and circuits?

The smart-arse w*kers who are mega-rich by inventing robots and going, "wow, look how we're making a big improvement on society, everything's going to be digital, horray!" don't know the half of how they are actually destroying humanity. Who the f**k do they think they're impressing? Are we competing with other planets, trying to make earthlings look like the smartest living things in the whole universe and beyond?

Actually, robot-loving w*kers, you are making humanity look dumb by inventing machines that will soon wipe out all humanity.

I hope you're proud of yourselves. If you love robots so much why don't you marry your f*****g invention?

Robot inventors are as bad as terrorists.

Robots do have a role in things like space exploration (although they cannot replace people) and for hazzardous duty like inspecting the insides of an atomic reactor and so forth but your point is taken. Another dark side your message reminds me of is "Skynet" from the Terminator movies.

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17 Apr 2016, 1:44 pm

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I do have a theory where once civilizations reach the atomic age, we are in a race for survival, meaning that we must learn how to colonize and spread ourselves out to other worlds somehow or at some point we will be knocked down again and again. Robert A. Heinlein did say that the Human race should not have all its eggs in one basket. However for some reason, if we don't do ourselves in by doing something stupid, something natural will come and set us back.

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17 Apr 2016, 1:45 pm

Well, the problem with "skynet" in "The Terminator" movies is that currently we aren't even remotely close to developing true artificial intelligence. For the machines to become "self-aware" would require a truly monumental step in not just our engineering, but also our understanding of consciousness itself. I'm more worried about the much closer future where the machines will be out there, and it's a human intelligence controlling them-- since humans have proven to be not all that bright.

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