Ahmed Mohamed returns to Texas
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If the cops or administration had any inclination at all that it was a real bomb they would of evacuated the building immediately and call the bomb squad, they're not going to tinker with it at all to find out if it is legit or not. Again, it's the Texas law on 'hoax bombs' that was applied and they followed the letter of the law. The police and school system could of reacted a lot worse, they seriously suspend and even expel kids for drawing guns let alone bringing in something that sort of resembles a bomb and I think purposely
From wiki: Irving Police Chief Larry Boyd said that "the officers pretty quickly determined that they weren't investigating an explosive device"
There was no more reason to suspect it to be a hoax bomb than a iphone plugged into a powerbank inside of a makeup case.
In the Navy, we received training in how to spot IEDs. Essentially, it all came down to any ordinary object in a place where you would not normally find it ... a suitcase sitting upright by the side of a freeway ... a pressure cooker along a parade route ... a piece of pipe in the back seat of a car ... a box truck parked on the lawn next to a building ...
What I see in that video is a kid's school project, like the dozens I saw and built for science and engineering classes during high school and university. The only reason it looked like a bomb to some light-skinned people is because it was a technical device in the possession of a brown-skinned, Arabic-speaking, Muslim boy.
I have openly carried similar-looking devices around toll plazas, freeway ramps, parking structures, airports, and other public transportation facilities, and no one asked me what I was doing, why I was there, or what it was that I was holding - maybe because I seem to be nothing more than a white man of late middle age going about his business!
Racism seems to have a lot more to do with identifying a brown-skinned Muslim kid's science project as a "bomb" than any ignorant opinion on what a "real bomb" looks like.
Funny. You must have slept through the class? So Navy taught you. We'll I can play Armchair quarterback too.
MY army original MOS until 1993 MOS 55R/55X (you split off later if desired or part of your enlistment)
And I think it does look suspicious and would never be allowed in yards of an ASP either sitting in open or carried by the delinquent. Doesn't hit news much but there have been people detained and even shot borking around ASP grounds with suspicious items or even detained for leaving a backpack full of books. In late 80s one was a dependent an oh my he wasn't able to call out a race card for his fun. His parents had to move offpost (my friend's daughter was dating him so was mad. WAS.).
C4 is an innocuous and easily hidden substance in something like a briefcase bomb.
Attache cases and briefcases are very much out of style in the 2000s except lockable metal kind. And even those get eyed at airports.
And I am pretty sure there was ANY other better container for his "digital clock". Which btw was no "invention".
I wasn't praised, as media says about this kid, so much as inventive that much for making a CB radio from scratch. FROM SCRATCH, from all radio shack parts in the early 70s. Not from CB parts recycled by putting the whole unit in different case. BFD man. Lel and I got 3rd place. I also did not try and make it look like a bomb.
It was made out of already existing digital clock.He made a countdown timer. Period. Any kid in the 70s could and probably has made such. A potato clock would use more science. Which is no great boon to science class or original. No need to visit the President.
Nor was it announced as a project ahead of time which would have prevented any hoax hysteria if an earnest project. Where were the plans submitted to his instructor in that class? Don't kids still have to do that?
It did not need a breadboard or have the wires so messy. A light timer and battery were all that would be required and fit in something size of a used Ipad box. A smaller clock also. This was made for "show" and to look like a bomb. Haha.
How are school staff supposed top know different. Flex M118 can easily be hidden in the lining of the device. Not like school has xray (unless downtown LA).
He DID IT ON PURPOSE. HE IS A PUNK.
I believe race has an issue alright. Issue is if he had been a white appearing kid, he would be in juvie, and it likely would not have gone past local papers like most bomb hoaxes and homemade bombs do.
I pretty safe to be, judging by your other posts that he had been some Texas/Lousiana teen that had said any type of white power slogan-ever or been seen at any rally and/or have been near a mosque? or even at school; you would be saying he should have been shot and was lucky to only go to jail. > : c
USE the WHOLE quoter:
Speaking to MSNBC, Irving Police Chief Larry Boyd said "the officers pretty quickly determined that they weren't investigating an explosive device" and that the arrest was made over the prospect that it was a 'hoax bomb' intended to scare people at the school — "something that is not really a bomb, but is designed and presented in a way that it creates people to be afraid."
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Did you determine he was a "delinquent" before or after he was arrested? What kind of profiling did you use?
Has he been accused, tried, convicted, and sentenced? Or is this just another instance where people are claiming that a brown-skinned, Arabic-speaking Muslim kid simply must be guilty of something, and now they're trying to "justify" their suspicions by making up all kinds of speculative scenarios regarding his behavior and intentions?
Keep in mind that suspicion is not evidence; nor are assumptions, presumptions, prejudice, racial stereotypes, or mob fear. All that has happened is that some ignorant, racist white people thought that a brown-skinned, Arabic-speaking Muslim kid must be a terrorist, so they decided to make an example of him by getting the police involved, and now our beloved media has made another circus of it.
Following the incident, the police determined Mohamed had no malicious intent, and he was not charged with any crime; yet here you are, calling him a "delinquent".
I think racism and Islamophobia among members of this website have gone out of control.
Yeah, but ISIS threatens to bomb us more.
Our "Home Land Security" travels across the US and tells school personnel to report "anything suspicious".
I know this because my mom works for the local school district, and told me that about her meeting with HLS agents.
HLS wants ordinary Americans to be on the lookout for terrorists.
Here is the program, it is called "School Safety" ...
https://www.dhs.gov/school-safety
I am white and if I took a homemade clock to school the teachers would have made sure its not a bomb too. We had to have clear backpacks and walk through metal detectors and be inspected by security when I went to school.
In any other country it would be ok so be cautious of your nations enemies.
USE the WHOLE quoter:
Speaking to MSNBC, Irving Police Chief Larry Boyd said "the officers pretty quickly determined that they weren't investigating an explosive device" and that the arrest was made over the prospect that it was a 'hoax bomb' intended to scare people at the school — "something that is not really a bomb, but is designed and presented in a way that it creates people to be afraid."
You're right, wiki ain't always the most reliable place for info. But I used that quote from the police chief because the other person I responded to claimed they would have evacuated the school and sent in a bomb squad if they had a "any inclination" it was a bomb. Which wasn't what happened obviously. The thing is though there is no clear definition on what a hoax bomb could look like just if it "reasonably appears" to be one or causes alarm with others. Going by the TX penal code. That's why I mentioned the iphone + powerbank.
He had been interrogated for over an hour by police. I find it hard to believe a 14 year old is going to be able to lie his way through an interrogation that long. And he requested to call his parents while being interrogated and the police refused which was against the law:
“A child may not be left unattended in a juvenile processing office and is entitled to be accompanied by the child’s parent, guardian, or other custodian or by the child’s attorney,” Section 52.025 (PDF) states."
“A child may not be left unattended in a juvenile processing office and is entitled to be accompanied by the child’s parent, guardian, or other custodian or by the child’s attorney,” Section 52.025 (PDF) states."
He is a suspected terrorist, so he losses those rights per the Patriot Act.
Here is an example of application of the Patriot Act on a 16 year old ....
"They're saying that 'We feel this individual is a terrorist or an enemy combatant against the United States, and we're going to suspend all of those due process rights because this person is an enemy of the United States," said Dan Boyce, a defense attorney and former U.S. attorney not connected to the Lundeby case.
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/5049867/
Here is an example of application of the Patriot Act on a 16 year old ....
"They're saying that 'We feel this individual is a terrorist or an enemy combatant against the United States, and we're going to suspend all of those due process rights because this person is an enemy of the United States," said Dan Boyce, a defense attorney and former U.S. attorney not connected to the Lundeby case.
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/5049867/
The fact that the law was on their side isn't an argument against Ahmed; it's an argument against the law.
Here, have a nice little sneak preview of Trump's America.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKst5noERkc
Here's a woman being violently assaulted by police, tackled and forced to the ground and strip-searched, just because her backpack "looked suspicious" (it was full of food).
So before you try and tell me Ahmed's clock looks like a bomb, just remember that in the hands of a Muslim, everything looks like a bomb to bigoted police. White America doesn't want to talk about the fact that American Muslims are far more likely to be the victims of violence than its perpetrator.
And most cops, I'm aware, are good people. I've talked to police who were perfect gentlemen. But that doesn't really assuage my fear of them. Every time I have to talk to a cop, I pray to God he isn't one of the bad ones.
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Do you think it was just the heavy backpack or maybe also wearing a face covering niqab had something to do with it? I don't believe that is a religious requirement is it but rather more of a cultural thing right? In many states it is illegal to walk around in public concealing your face, think like klan hoods and ski masks. I would put niqab and burqas in that same category of being seen as potentially menacing, I believe France banned them not to long ago. There are limits to religious freedoms, it's not absolute. To make religious exceptions puts religious law above the law of the land and I think violates the separation of church and state.
I won't defend the police since a lot of them are scumbags, let me tell you they do not like all white people especially the younger and less straight and narrow looking they are. A cop's job is inherently prejudice, that is why you need good laws. The worst violation of human rights in this country is the War on Drugs and I think a good portion of racial tension stems from its enforcement. People disassociate themselves from their actions when acting under an institutional authority, be it religion or government or a gang or whatever. The banality of evil.
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Well, it tells you all you need to know regarding where he previously was.
Texas is the bastion of egalitarianism compared to the Muslim world (something people seem to overlook).
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Well, it tells you all you need to know regarding where he previously was.
Texas is the bastion of egalitarianism compared to the Muslim world (something people seem to overlook).
The Sudan where Sharia reigns; the Arabs genocide and literally enslave the Christian black Africans, lovely place. This Ahmed kid with his new found fame was invited back to Sudan as a honored guest of the great and wanted war criminal President Omar al-Bashir.
But Texas man.... Texas...
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