At least 17 dead in Florida School Shooting

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I wonder how many children were frightened to go to school today in the USA. The mental health and emotional impacts on them rarely gets attention.

Well the time a student was killed while I was at school, there was one student who after the fact lied about having been in the room the shooter was in. Then it was found out he wasn't even taking any classes in that classroom. He apologized publicly and felt bad about it and he wasn't sure why he did it.

Something like that could be a possibility here, can't say for sure. But also may not have been intentionaly maybe there was a mix up on the name...people react weird to trauma and sometimes don't even recall actual events accurately. I know what I remember from the incident I experienced was a bit different from others recollections, I don't remember ever hearing a gunshot for instance, but everyone else in the class I was in did.

So far though I have heard nothing more on this possibility of a second shooter, but even if there was I think he was still certainly involved.

Last edited by Sweetleaf on 15 Feb 2018, 4:39 pm, edited 1 time in total.

^ Fair.

Regardless.. another school got shot up, more kids died.. and still America denies it has a problem with gun violence like no other nation on Earth & will likely do approximately sweet f**k all about it besides a few Tweets about "thoughts & prayers."

CPRC = https://crimeresearch.org

CPRC: Europe’s per capita death rates from mass public shootngs is 20% higher than the US’s (all countries whose borders are within Europe). Africa, Australia, Israel, and the Philippines all have much higher per capita rates than the US.

CPRC: From the 1950’s through July 10th of 2016, 98.4 percent of mass shootings as defined by the FBI have occurred on gun-free zones,

Gun control laws aren’t going to make anyone safer. Logically, criminals do not follow those laws, and a sign restricting guns on locations they intend to target won’t make them give up and turn around. Trained, armed staff who can combat the killer is the best method by which to stop someone. Until the 60's, guns and guns clubs were common in schools.

Gun free zones are open invitations to evil people. Chicago bans firearms, yet has a firearm death rate comparable to war zones.

Funny, I could have sworn that school was a gun free zone. It's almost as if the kid just... didn't really care... it's like the gun laws just... didn't help...

Gun control is not a cure for things like this. It's the culture. If you don't change the culture, then you aren't going to fix anything.

How would people like this guy not having guns not cure things like this?

How would military assault rifles not being available to civilians not cure things like this?

Hmmm, maybe we should ask a country that did something about guns after a mass shooting at a school how it's worked out for them.. hey, Australia, how ya doin' since that whole gun control thing? Ooooh, people aren't getting all shot up and killed.. interesting.

Or perhaps a country that makes it difficult for citizens to own guns & requires them to pass several different types of exams before they can have one.. hey, Japan, how's that system working out for you? Oh, very few gun violence crimes.. interesting.

Somehow I don't think the nearly free-for-all system of the USA is doing it's citizens any favours.

But hey, gun sales & profits are up, so who cares, right?

Authorities have determined that the shooter had no ties to white supremacists.

Please don't be autistic

Right now a cousin and an unidentified relative have been quoted in published reports as saying he is autistic. This person is alive. I doubt his diagnostic report would be made public nor his clinition will confirm it. There are privacy issues. With Adam Lanza it was not officialy confirmed until the official report came out two years or so after the shooting and he was dead. So IMHO it is probable but not certain he was diagnosed. Bieng autistic does not proclude one from being sadistic.

I assume that you are referring to the political culture, where members of Congress are getting obscene amounts of NRA payola in exchange for ignoring these horrors. I heartily concur.

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I believe that was just the name of his adoptive family.

Me too.

Yes, the Australian murder rated has declined, but not only firearm deaths.

Perspective for thought:
The United States has nearly 14 times as many people as Australia. So adjusting for poulation:
2002’s Monash killed two and wounded five = 28+70
2011 Hectorville killed two and wounded three =28+42
2014 Hunt killed four people = 56
2014 Wedderburn killed three people = 42
The per capita equivalent would be 154 Mass shooting deaths since confiscation.
Knife killings on the rise in Australia as gun murders fall...

I'm very worried about that as well, not only because of the potential backlash for so many innocents in the ASD community. But also because it's clear from some of the students' comments that this person was massively shunned and ostracized for years.

I don't want to go down the chicken-and-the-egg road (did the ostracism and isolation make him worse? Or was he already beyond hope before the ostracism and isolation even started?). Nothing, no pain on earth or in heaven, justifies what this young man did.

It's just that I've seen social isolation / ostracism / bullying as a recurring motif in too many instances of youth violence. That motif, its prevalence, keeps me awake nights almost as much as the violence itself. As does the fact of its being universally ignored...

I know I'm expressing this extremely poorly. But if these episodes of violence are a response to something, perhaps we should be taking a multifactorial approach to them: remove the tools of violence from easy access, and also do something about the situations (bullying? social isolation?) that ultimately result in this type of horrible, never justified, but dammit it keeps happening! something has to be causing this! acting out.

Edit in: Well, emerging details seem to indicate sociopathy. Harming small animals. Multiple issues with neighbors and their children. Many calls to local LE. So... removing the tools of violence yes, but a different type of social intervention was needed than I'd surmised might be.

@Mudboy: even with normalized ratios, you're talking 4 episodes in 16 years? If your count is comprehensive and my math (2002 - 2018) accurate. Over here in Gunville, we're looking at 18 episodes so far this year alone: that's 18 in eight weeks.

Last edited by Esmerelda Weatherwax on 15 Feb 2018, 8:37 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Woah there cowboy, Australia has nowhere near the number of mass shootings as the US. We had 13 mass shootings in the 18 year period from '79 to '96 but none in the succeeding 20 years. Why? Well in '96 the Government brought in really tough gun control laws. I can't just wander into a department store and buy an assault rifle and nor can any other Australian. Gun control does work. It's not something Americans want to believe but it's true.

So far this year there has been 18 school shooting in America. That's just school shootings, not mass shootings in general. There were over 350 mass shootings in America last year. You guys have a gun problem. Simples.