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03 Dec 2018, 4:46 pm

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We'll know when it is all over whether there is guilt or not. Until then we simply don't have all the information that the investigation team do so wouldn't know.
Do you really believe its possible for any bombshell evidence against Trump to not get leaked? Seriously?


Mueller has an exceptionally professional team. They keep their mouths shut and are not the source of leaks.

If there were any links of bombshell evidence against Trump, it would come from his own lawyers who, presumably, have nothing to gain by leaking such things.



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03 Dec 2018, 4:55 pm

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/ ... ngs-914754


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03 Dec 2018, 4:57 pm

The Guardian made up a fake story about Manafort meeting Assange at the Embassy and the whole mainstream media repeated the lie.


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03 Dec 2018, 5:18 pm

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https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/19/mueller-investigation-findings-914754


What do you imagine this proves one way or another?



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03 Dec 2018, 9:33 pm

It's kind of funny to me how leaks are talked about as if this was a top secret investigation, instead of one the whole world knows all about.

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https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/19/mueller-investigation-findings-914754


What do you imagine this proves one way or another?


It seems to me an indication that the investigation will produce no actual results that will lead to Trump being indicted for collusion or lead to grounds for impeachment proceedings.



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03 Dec 2018, 10:17 pm

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Trump hasn't stopped the witch hunt because it IS a witch hunt. When he is found innocent, the liberals will probably investigate Mueller and the rest of his team and his limo driver and his mother and his father and his dentist and his barber and his...

If it is a witch hunt Trump will not be found innocent.


witch hunt noun 2: the searching out and deliberate harassment of those (such as political opponents) with unpopular views. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/witch%20hunt



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03 Dec 2018, 10:22 pm

EzraS wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
Heat844 wrote:
Trump hasn't stopped the witch hunt because it IS a witch hunt. When he is found innocent, the liberals will probably investigate Mueller and the rest of his team and his limo driver and his mother and his father and his dentist and his barber and his...

If it is a witch hunt Trump will not be found innocent.


witch hunt noun 2: the searching out and deliberate harassment of those (such as political opponents) with unpopular views. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/witch%20hunt


A witch hunt is legit if it uncovers real witches.


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03 Dec 2018, 10:37 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
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Trump hasn't stopped the witch hunt because it IS a witch hunt. When he is found innocent, the liberals will probably investigate Mueller and the rest of his team and his limo driver and his mother and his father and his dentist and his barber and his...

If it is a witch hunt Trump will not be found innocent.


witch hunt noun 2: the searching out and deliberate harassment of those (such as political opponents) with unpopular views. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/witch%20hunt


A witch hunt is legit if it uncovers real witches.


There's no good spin one can put on a witch hunt, either in the historical context or in the contemporary context. They by their very nature are not legit, which is the whole point of the phrase these days.



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03 Dec 2018, 11:16 pm

EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
Heat844 wrote:
Trump hasn't stopped the witch hunt because it IS a witch hunt. When he is found innocent, the liberals will probably investigate Mueller and the rest of his team and his limo driver and his mother and his father and his dentist and his barber and his...

If it is a witch hunt Trump will not be found innocent.


witch hunt noun 2: the searching out and deliberate harassment of those (such as political opponents) with unpopular views. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/witch%20hunt


A witch hunt is legit if it uncovers real witches.


There's no good spin one can put on a witch hunt, either in the historical context or in the contemporary context. They by their very nature are not legit, which is the whole point of the phrase these days.


Or to speak more plainly: it's not a witch hunt if wrong doing is uncovered. So far, Trump's henchmen are being indicted and convicted right and left. And if Trump is so innocent, why is he sweating bullets?


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03 Dec 2018, 11:36 pm

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Or to speak more plainly: it's not a witch hunt if wrong doing is uncovered. So far, Trump's henchmen are being indicted and convicted right and left. And if Trump is so innocent, why is he sweating bullets?


That's all very intriguing. But unless it ever gets past that stage and leads to Trump being indicted or impeached, then intrigue is all it is and all it will have ever been.



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03 Dec 2018, 11:46 pm

EzraS wrote:
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Or to speak more plainly: it's not a witch hunt if wrong doing is uncovered. So far, Trump's henchmen are being indicted and convicted right and left. And if Trump is so innocent, why is he sweating bullets?


That's all very intriguing. But unless it ever gets past that stage and leads to Trump being indicted or impeached, then intrigue is all it is and all it will have ever been.


I think we'll know soon enough.


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03 Dec 2018, 11:58 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
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Or to speak more plainly: it's not a witch hunt if wrong doing is uncovered. So far, Trump's henchmen are being indicted and convicted right and left. And if Trump is so innocent, why is he sweating bullets?


That's all very intriguing. But unless it ever gets past that stage and leads to Trump being indicted or impeached, then intrigue is all it is and all it will have ever been.


I think we'll know soon enough.


Unless Politico is correct and Mueller's findings are never made pubic.

My attitude regarding Trump being nailed or not is que sera sera. But if I really wanted to see some results leading to him getting nailed, I'd be mighty disgruntled.



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03 Dec 2018, 11:58 pm

EzraS wrote:
It's kind of funny to me how leaks are talked about as if this was a top secret investigation, instead of one the whole world knows all about.

kokopelli wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/19/mueller-investigation-findings-914754


What do you imagine this proves one way or another?


It seems to me an indication that the investigation will produce no actual results that will lead to Trump being indicted for collusion or lead to grounds for impeachment proceedings.


Note that the investigation is into the Trump campaign, not into Trump himself. It has already produced actual results.



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04 Dec 2018, 12:14 am

kokopelli wrote:
EzraS wrote:
It's kind of funny to me how leaks are talked about as if this was a top secret investigation, instead of one the whole world knows all about.

kokopelli wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/19/mueller-investigation-findings-914754


What do you imagine this proves one way or another?


It seems to me an indication that the investigation will produce no actual results that will lead to Trump being indicted for collusion or lead to grounds for impeachment proceedings.


Note that the investigation is into the Trump campaign, not into Trump himself. It has already produced actual results.


The result many have been hoping for and expecting is Trump being indicted and or impeached.



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04 Dec 2018, 12:26 am

Trump's ghost writer (that is, the guy who actually wrote The Art Of The Deal) thinks Trump will try to get out of his Mueller troubles by saying he had accomplished everything in his first term, and not run for a second.


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04 Dec 2018, 12:37 am

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Trump's ghost writer (that is, the guy who actually wrote The Art Of The Deal) thinks Trump will try to get out of his Mueller troubles by saying he had accomplished everything in his first term, and not run for a second.


How would that get him out of trouble?