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08 Feb 2019, 2:02 am

EzraS wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

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We know from Manafort and Cohen, among other sources, that Trump's people had met with Putin's agents in the Trump Tower.

What demonstrable proof is there of that?

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We know Trump had gotten loans from Russia and the Saudis, who in turn never pushed for reimbursement, as they realized the control they had over him was of much greater use.

What demonstrable proof is there of that?

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Trump had defended Alt Right white nationalists at Charlottesville by calling them good people

He said there were good people on both sides. Which comes off as an attempt at being diplomatic.

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and emphasizing that they had had a permit while the anti-racist counter protesters did not - - all on live TV!

That's just a statement of fact.

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Etc, etc, etc.

Like I said. But how much of it is valid?

Valid and demonstrable enough for Robert Mueller.

In what way?

What Mueller hasn't uncovered, he eventually will.

So you listed a bunch of accusations you said there was demonstrable proof of, but when pressed to show demonstrable proof, you switch to basically admitting there isn't any, but there supposedly will be according to prognostication. It's all just a lot of propaganda isn't it?

Are you seriously questioning that there was a meeting with Russian agents in Trump Tower? Or that Trump had gotten loans from Russia (confirmed by his sons, Uday and Cusei) and Saudi Arabia? Is it really diplomatic to side with violent racists?

I'm asked for the demonstrable proof you said existed. You said I'll have to wait for it. That must mean that no demonstrable proof exists. And then the default word "racist".

Are You seriously questioning the validity of any of it? Because that's all considered fact. I'm going to go to bed.

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08 Feb 2019, 2:07 am

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Are You seriously questioning the validity of any of it? Because that's all considered fact. I'm going to go to bed.

lol

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08 Feb 2019, 5:58 am

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08 Feb 2019, 6:10 am

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I'm asked for the demonstrable proof you said existed. You said I'll have to wait for it. That must mean that no demonstrable proof exists. And then the default word "racist".

No; that's not what it means. Investigations by a Special Counsel, like those of grand juries, are sub rosa (unless you're Kenneth Starr). Every grown-up knows that.
As for "the default word", at this point, claiming that despite all of the incontrovertible evidence to the contrary Trump isn't racist is simply being willfully ignorant.

Donald Trump's Racism: The Definitive List
Donald Trump’s long history of racism, from the 1970s to 2018

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08 Feb 2019, 8:35 am

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You might want to do some research on your own before you call someone a liar. Your credibility on this website is already hanging by a thread.

Edited: Technically not a total lie. But still deceptive.

“There has never been evidence that Clinton or her campaign started the birther rumors,” said Ben Smith, editor in chief of BuzzFeed, who as a POLITICO reporter in 2011 linked the origin of the “birther” movement to a fringe politician in Illinois. Some hardcore Clinton backers circulated the rumors in 2008, but the campaign itself steered clear.

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/ ... ton-228304

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https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hilla ... -movement/

AND From your own provided link:

Neither Cruz nor Trump, whose campaign did not respond to our request for backup material, provides any compelling evidence that either Clinton or her campaign had anything to do with starting the so-called birther movement.

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08 Feb 2019, 9:16 am

Oh, I see what you did there. It was a Democrat, not Clinton or her campaign.

I guess it's fine if I say:

Republican Serial Killer Ted Bundy claims at least 30 victims.

He also volunteered at the Seattle office of Nelson Rockefeller's presidential campaign[39] and became Arthur Fletcher's driver and bodyguard during Fletcher's campaign for Lieutenant Governor of Washington State.[40] In August of that year, Bundy attended the 1968 Republican National Convention in Miami as a Rockefeller delegate...

AND

Republican Terrorist Cesar Sayoc Arrested for 16 Counts of Attempted Murder

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08 Feb 2019, 9:21 am

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I'm asked for the demonstrable proof you said existed. You said I'll have to wait for it. That must mean that no demonstrable proof exists. And then the default word "racist".

No; that's not what it means. Investigations by a Special Counsel, like those of grand juries, are sub rosa (unless you're Kenneth Starr). Every grown-up knows that.

That still means that there is no demonstrable proof. One can only speculate or fantasize as to what undisclosed proof may exist, which keeps it from being demonstrable.

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As for "the default word", at this point, claiming that despite all of the incontrovertible evidence to the contrary Trump isn't racist is simply being willfully ignorant.

Donald Trump's Racism: The Definitive List
Donald Trump’s long history of racism, from the 1970s to 2018

I've never made any such claim. I ask people to cite sources or provide proof to see if they actually know what they are talking about.

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08 Feb 2019, 9:37 am

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That still means that there no demonstrable proof. One can only speculate or fantasize as to what undisclosed proof may exist, which keeps it from being demonstrable.

Evidence doesn't have to be proof. Don't worry, you can still maintain a veneer of plausible deniability until the former president is actually convicted. You can even run on the slogan!

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08 Feb 2019, 9:46 am

AspE wrote:

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That still means that there no demonstrable proof. One can only speculate or fantasize as to what undisclosed proof may exist, which keeps it from being demonstrable.

Evidence doesn't have to be proof.

Yeah but I was working with the words "demonstrable proof".

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Don't worry, you can still maintain a veneer of plausible deniability until the former president is actually convicted. You can even run on the slogan!

TRUMP2020
NOT A PROVEN TRAITOR YET

I'll leave the worrying or hoping for others.

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08 Feb 2019, 1:32 pm

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You might want to do some research on your own before you call someone a liar. Your credibility on this website is already hanging by a thread.

There was nothing deceptive about it. I already knew that no evidence existed to link Hillary to the email campaign. It was a simple fact that I felt was relevant to the discussion. I don't have a dog in the fight, as I am not a partisan.

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08 Feb 2019, 3:11 pm

Moving the goalposts until they are meaningless. It doesn't matter if a fan of Clinton gave the GOP an idea, they took it and knew the racism would win for them.

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08 Feb 2019, 8:49 pm

The natural-born citizen clause became an issue in 2003 when Arnold Schwarzenegger became governor of California. People were saying he would be disqualified to become POTUS if he ran because he was born in Austria.

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08 Feb 2019, 9:12 pm

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That's true.

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08 Feb 2019, 9:13 pm

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Moving the goalposts until they are meaningless. It doesn't matter if a fan of Clinton gave the GOP an idea, they took it and knew the racism would win for them.

When are you going to wake up an realize the f*****g Democrats don't care anymore about you than the f*****g Republicans? You're living in a dream world. Wake the f**k up and join the revolution. Stop supporting the one-party system! How much more do you need to be f****d up the ass before that sinks in?

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08 Feb 2019, 9:21 pm

VegetableMan wrote:

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Moving the goalposts until they are meaningless. It doesn't matter if a fan of Clinton gave the GOP an idea, they took it and knew the racism would win for them.

I know you didn't ask me.. but, depends on who's doing the f*****g.

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08 Feb 2019, 9:28 pm

VegetableMan wrote:

AspE wrote:

Moving the goalposts until they are meaningless. It doesn't matter if a fan of Clinton gave the GOP an idea, they took it and knew the racism would win for them.

When are you going to wake up an realize the f*****g Democrats don't care anymore about you than the f*****g Republicans?

Because that's a lie. They passed health care. They support the EPA. They believe in science. They want people to have the right to vote. They aren't trying to destroy unions. They support LGBT rights. They support the separation of church and state. They protect us from predatory lenders. They oppose torture. The support women's rights and abortion rights. They are diverse.

Trump blames autism on vaccines.
Republicans are anti-porn, and anti-pot legalization.

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