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04 Aug 2019, 12:57 pm

I do wonder why, with all the cybertechnology we have in law enforcement, they couldn’t catch the gunman once they got his IP address after he posted his manifesto. He would have been caught in Allen, before he could never get anywhere near El Paso.


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04 Aug 2019, 1:48 pm

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He sounds like a Bernie/Warren Socialist, since he wants universal health care, UBI (universal basic income), pro-environment, and to stop immigrants from taking jobs.

If that's authentic, then he really is a kind of national socialist. He rants about corporations, about how the environment is being destroyed, about how we need to reduce the population, etc. (Basically what you get from all 20 Dem candidates.) Just add in some anti-Hispanic racism (which is probably pretty common in the Bernie-bro wing of the party), and you get this guy's national socialism. It's sadly not surprising to see this kind of national socialism being generated as a reaction to rising international-socialism/Bolshevism (the violent Marxist/Leninist wing of the party, Antifa, the Squad, etc.).


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04 Aug 2019, 2:00 pm

Mexican government says it will sue U.S. over mass shooting in El Paso

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The Mexican government said they will sue the United States in response to Saturday's mass shooting at an El Paso Walmart that left at least three Mexican nationals dead and nine others injured.

Mexico's Foreign Minister Marcelo Ebrard made the announcement in a video posted to Twitter on Sunday morning. He expressed his "indignation" for Saturday's shooting, which left 20 people dead and 26 injured.

Among the dead were at least three Mexican nationals. Nine others were wounded.

Ebrard referred to the mass shooting as a "barbarous" act, and said the Mexican government would be taking action to protect its citizens living in the United States.

"The president of the Republic has instructed me so that this posture and indignation from Mexico is translated, first in protecting affected families, and then in legal actions, efficient and prompt, quick and convincing so that Mexico can demand the conditions to protect to the Mexican-American community and Mexicans in the United States," he said.

"What happened is inadmissible and today (Sunday), at 4 p.m., we will announce the first judicial actions that the Mexican government will take in accordance to international law," he added.


El Paso shooting being treated as domestic terrorism, police say suspect cooperating
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The man accused of gunning down nearly two dozen Walmart shoppers in Texas has been open with authorities, willingly giving detectives answers about one of the worst mass murders in U.S. history, officials said Sunday.

While El Paso police chief Greg Allen declined to elaborate on what kind of statements are being made by alleged mass murderer Patrick Wood Crusius, the 21-year-old has apparently spoken freely.

"He was forthcoming with information," Allen told reporters. "He basically didn’t hold anything back. Particular questions were asked and he responded in the way it needed to be answered."

Prosecutors said Sunday they'll seek capital punishment against Crusius, who was arrested shortly after he allegedly killed 20 and wounded 26 by opening fire at a Walmart, filled with customers stocking up on back-to-school goods, at about 10:30 a.m. on Saturday.

"He is eligible for the death penalty, we will seek the death penalty," El Paso District Attorney Jaime Esparza told reporters. "The loss of life is so great we have never seen anything like this in our community."

Crusius, an Allen, Texas, resident, reportedly purchased the murder weapon legally, U.S. Rep. Veronica Escobar, told NBC El Paso affiliate KTSM on Sunday.

The alleged shooter was being held on capital murder charges, according to El Paso jail records.

Police said they started removing bodies from the Walmart on Sunday.

When asked to describe the carnage of the scene, the El Paso police chief said he couldn't possibly paint an accurate picture. He could only speak to the smell of death.

"When I first got into this job I never knew there was an odor to blood. There is," Allen said. "And until you first-hand see that, my description of it as far as horrific would be under-serving as far as what that scene looks like


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04 Aug 2019, 2:09 pm

Has the United States ever sued a nation because one of its citizens was murdered in their country?

His views are a mishmash....but no Democrat or Republican candidate has views which match this guy’s views in toto

His primary vitriol was against Hispanic immigration. And he has some belief in white supremacy.

It’s actually a reflection of what many people say—but this guy took it many steps further... to the point where we may disregard any “good” views emanating from this guy.

If somebody preached “world peace”, then killed a bunch of people, I would disregard that “good” aspect of his overall beliefs.



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04 Aug 2019, 2:22 pm

Tim_Tex wrote:
I do wonder why, with all the cybertechnology we have in law enforcement, they couldn’t catch the gunman once they got his IP address after he posted his manifesto. He would have been caught in Allen, before he could never get anywhere near El Paso.


It does make one wonder. Couldn't catch the gunman or....wouldn't catch the gunman. It begs at least some consideration, no?



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04 Aug 2019, 3:23 pm

It just seems odd a guy would travel 10 hours just to shoot up a Walmart. His Manifesto was clearly attacking both Democrats and Republicans.



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04 Aug 2019, 3:34 pm

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It just seems odd a guy would travel 10 hours just to shoot up a Walmart. His Manifesto was clearly attacking both Democrats and Republicans.

He said he was looking for a "soft target" (no security guards) Hispanic area.

Oddly, though, El Paso is 92% white (mostly Hispanic white)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Paso,_ ... mographics


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04 Aug 2019, 3:54 pm

Mexico wants to sue the U.S.? Well, hell! More Americans are killed in Mexico than in all foreign countries combined.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/garystolle ... 4aeecade37


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04 Aug 2019, 5:30 pm

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I wonder if this shooting will be blamed on autism like the other shootings. We are not Hitlers.


Hey Mr. CockneyRebel, just out of interest, you may not know but Pete Townsend's brother has Autism Spectrum Disorder. and has been known to play with the Who over the years.

Also, the infamous and arguably my favourite rock opera "Tommy" was inspired greatly by his brother.
Just out of interest. I feel a bit like Tommy in a lot of ways, although i am not death dumb or blind.
Quiet the opposite. i used to be a bit of a pinball wizard in my teenage years. Pin ball being a bit of a trend during
the early mod years...


I find that very fascinating. I had no idea that Townsend's brother was autistic. I knew that The Tommy was inspired by an autistic person. I had no idea that the person was his brother.


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04 Aug 2019, 6:03 pm

CockneyRebel wrote:
madbutnotmad wrote:
CockneyRebel wrote:
I wonder if this shooting will be blamed on autism like the other shootings. We are not Hitlers.


Hey Mr. CockneyRebel, just out of interest, you may not know but Pete Townsend's brother has Autism Spectrum Disorder. and has been known to play with the Who over the years.

Also, the infamous and arguably my favourite rock opera "Tommy" was inspired greatly by his brother.
Just out of interest. I feel a bit like Tommy in a lot of ways, although i am not death dumb or blind.
Quiet the opposite. i used to be a bit of a pinball wizard in my teenage years. Pin ball being a bit of a trend during
the early mod years...


I find that very fascinating. I had no idea that Townsend's brother was autistic. I knew that The Tommy was inspired by an autistic person. I had no idea that the person was his brother.

I know this is way off topic but since unverified and apparently incorrect information has been repeated I am repeating my reply from earlier in the thread.
While Townsend identifies the character "Pinbal wizard" as Autistic it was not based on his brother. I have not seen evidence his brother is autistic.
Pete Townshend talks about The Who’s Tommy
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“It all began with a poem,” Townshend begins simply. “I had been a recent inductee to the teachings of the Indian master Meher Baba and he led me to the poems of Hermann Hesse. I started to write about a young seeker. I made him a deaf, dumb and blind boy, because we are all deaf, dumb and blind until we discover our spiritual side.

“I called the story Amazing Journey,” he says, which is also the name of the pivotal song from the rock opera that would change Townshend’s life.

He talks about the topic in a broader sense at first but would bring it very close to home later.

“You have to understand what it was like for my generation, the one that came right after the Second World War (Townshend was born in 1945). In the immediate aftermath of the war, the value of the child had changed. I don’t think we were considered to be particularly important. We all felt disenfranchised. Our parents were worried about living under the shadow of the bomb and dealing with postwar austerity.”

Townshend took all those feelings, as well as the core of the spiritual search he had touched on in his poem and started writing.

“I had a real mentor in Kit. Without him, Tommy would have just been a rock album with a kind of story underneath. He helped me make it make sense.”

So Townshend sent his deaf, dumb and blind boy on an amazing journey where “he’d be the experiment for everyone’s darker side,” with images and characters he plucked from his subconscious: the nurturing yet destroying Acid Queen, the malevolent Cousin Kevin and, most significantly, the child-abusing Uncle Ernie.

The concept of Tommy being a “pinball wizard” and acquiring worldwide fame because of his skill at those flashing machines may seem integral to the work now, but it was added at the 11th hour.

Nik Cohn, then the rock critic for The Observer, heard an early mix of Tommy and had some reservations.

“It’s a bit po-faced, all this spiritualism,” Townshend recounts him saying of that version, in which Tommy became a rock star. “You need something to make it more fun.”

Cohn had been telling Townshend about “a tough little 16-year-old girl who was a pinball hustler,” and suddenly Townshend decided to make his hero “a pinball champion, gathering disciples and taking over the world.”

He wrote the now famous anthem, “Pinball Wizard” and “wrote all the other pinball references into the story sideways.”

“It worked. It made the whole story lighter, but it also made it more accessible and that allowed me to go deeper. Suddenly there was this sense that pinball was about the universe and an autistic, Asperger’s-afflicted, deaf, dumb and blind kid could be the key to it all.”


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04 Aug 2019, 6:26 pm

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StayFrosty wrote:
It just seems odd a guy would travel 10 hours just to shoot up a Walmart. His Manifesto was clearly attacking both Democrats and Republicans.

He said he was looking for a "soft target" (no security guards) Hispanic area.

Oddly, though, El Paso is 92% white (mostly Hispanic white)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Paso,_ ... mographics

A border town is a symbolic target.


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04 Aug 2019, 7:40 pm

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Once again, a racism-motivated mass shooting in the US by a Trump supporter.
Once again, not a single solitary thing is done about it.
Except the Trump giving his "thoughts and prayers". PUKE!! !
Racist sexist orange turd needs to be flushed.

I hate the US and if the Trump gets re-elected I will kill myself.


There is no indication that he is a "Trump supporter". He was disillusioned with government as a whole and felt the entire system had failed. He made it clear Trump had nothing to do with his feelings which predated the current administration.

People are capable of operating on their own as individuals without belonging to some organization.



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04 Aug 2019, 8:24 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
CockneyRebel wrote:
madbutnotmad wrote:
CockneyRebel wrote:
I wonder if this shooting will be blamed on autism like the other shootings. We are not Hitlers.


Hey Mr. CockneyRebel, just out of interest, you may not know but Pete Townsend's brother has Autism Spectrum Disorder. and has been known to play with the Who over the years.

Also, the infamous and arguably my favourite rock opera "Tommy" was inspired greatly by his brother.
Just out of interest. I feel a bit like Tommy in a lot of ways, although i am not death dumb or blind.
Quiet the opposite. i used to be a bit of a pinball wizard in my teenage years. Pin ball being a bit of a trend during
the early mod years...


I find that very fascinating. I had no idea that Townsend's brother was autistic. I knew that The Tommy was inspired by an autistic person. I had no idea that the person was his brother.

I know this is way off topic but since unverified and apparently incorrect information has been repeated I am repeating my reply from earlier in the thread.
While Townsend identifies the character "Pinbal wizard" as Autistic it was not based on his brother. I have not seen evidence his brother is autistic.
Pete Townshend talks about The Who’s Tommy
Quote:
“It all began with a poem,” Townshend begins simply. “I had been a recent inductee to the teachings of the Indian master Meher Baba and he led me to the poems of Hermann Hesse. I started to write about a young seeker. I made him a deaf, dumb and blind boy, because we are all deaf, dumb and blind until we discover our spiritual side.

“I called the story Amazing Journey,” he says, which is also the name of the pivotal song from the rock opera that would change Townshend’s life.

He talks about the topic in a broader sense at first but would bring it very close to home later.

“You have to understand what it was like for my generation, the one that came right after the Second World War (Townshend was born in 1945). In the immediate aftermath of the war, the value of the child had changed. I don’t think we were considered to be particularly important. We all felt disenfranchised. Our parents were worried about living under the shadow of the bomb and dealing with postwar austerity.”

Townshend took all those feelings, as well as the core of the spiritual search he had touched on in his poem and started writing.

“I had a real mentor in Kit. Without him, Tommy would have just been a rock album with a kind of story underneath. He helped me make it make sense.”

So Townshend sent his deaf, dumb and blind boy on an amazing journey where “he’d be the experiment for everyone’s darker side,” with images and characters he plucked from his subconscious: the nurturing yet destroying Acid Queen, the malevolent Cousin Kevin and, most significantly, the child-abusing Uncle Ernie.

The concept of Tommy being a “pinball wizard” and acquiring worldwide fame because of his skill at those flashing machines may seem integral to the work now, but it was added at the 11th hour.

Nik Cohn, then the rock critic for The Observer, heard an early mix of Tommy and had some reservations.

“It’s a bit po-faced, all this spiritualism,” Townshend recounts him saying of that version, in which Tommy became a rock star. “You need something to make it more fun.”

Cohn had been telling Townshend about “a tough little 16-year-old girl who was a pinball hustler,” and suddenly Townshend decided to make his hero “a pinball champion, gathering disciples and taking over the world.”

He wrote the now famous anthem, “Pinball Wizard” and “wrote all the other pinball references into the story sideways.”

“It worked. It made the whole story lighter, but it also made it more accessible and that allowed me to go deeper. Suddenly there was this sense that pinball was about the universe and an autistic, Asperger’s-afflicted, deaf, dumb and blind kid could be the key to it all.”






...Pete Townsend had a brother, Simon Townsend, who put out a couple of albums. Whether he's one-of us or no...do you mean Simon?


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05 Aug 2019, 1:34 am

ASS-P wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
CockneyRebel wrote:
madbutnotmad wrote:
CockneyRebel wrote:
I wonder if this shooting will be blamed on autism like the other shootings. We are not Hitlers.


Hey Mr. CockneyRebel, just out of interest, you may not know but Pete Townsend's brother has Autism Spectrum Disorder. and has been known to play with the Who over the years.

Also, the infamous and arguably my favourite rock opera "Tommy" was inspired greatly by his brother.
Just out of interest. I feel a bit like Tommy in a lot of ways, although i am not death dumb or blind.
Quiet the opposite. i used to be a bit of a pinball wizard in my teenage years. Pin ball being a bit of a trend during
the early mod years...


I find that very fascinating. I had no idea that Townsend's brother was autistic. I knew that The Tommy was inspired by an autistic person. I had no idea that the person was his brother.

I know this is way off topic but since unverified and apparently incorrect information has been repeated I am repeating my reply from earlier in the thread.
While Townsend identifies the character "Pinbal wizard" as Autistic it was not based on his brother. I have not seen evidence his brother is autistic.
Pete Townshend talks about The Who’s Tommy
Quote:
“It all began with a poem,” Townshend begins simply. “I had been a recent inductee to the teachings of the Indian master Meher Baba and he led me to the poems of Hermann Hesse. I started to write about a young seeker. I made him a deaf, dumb and blind boy, because we are all deaf, dumb and blind until we discover our spiritual side.

“I called the story Amazing Journey,” he says, which is also the name of the pivotal song from the rock opera that would change Townshend’s life.

He talks about the topic in a broader sense at first but would bring it very close to home later.

“You have to understand what it was like for my generation, the one that came right after the Second World War (Townshend was born in 1945). In the immediate aftermath of the war, the value of the child had changed. I don’t think we were considered to be particularly important. We all felt disenfranchised. Our parents were worried about living under the shadow of the bomb and dealing with postwar austerity.”

Townshend took all those feelings, as well as the core of the spiritual search he had touched on in his poem and started writing.

“I had a real mentor in Kit. Without him, Tommy would have just been a rock album with a kind of story underneath. He helped me make it make sense.”

So Townshend sent his deaf, dumb and blind boy on an amazing journey where “he’d be the experiment for everyone’s darker side,” with images and characters he plucked from his subconscious: the nurturing yet destroying Acid Queen, the malevolent Cousin Kevin and, most significantly, the child-abusing Uncle Ernie.

The concept of Tommy being a “pinball wizard” and acquiring worldwide fame because of his skill at those flashing machines may seem integral to the work now, but it was added at the 11th hour.

Nik Cohn, then the rock critic for The Observer, heard an early mix of Tommy and had some reservations.

“It’s a bit po-faced, all this spiritualism,” Townshend recounts him saying of that version, in which Tommy became a rock star. “You need something to make it more fun.”

Cohn had been telling Townshend about “a tough little 16-year-old girl who was a pinball hustler,” and suddenly Townshend decided to make his hero “a pinball champion, gathering disciples and taking over the world.”

He wrote the now famous anthem, “Pinball Wizard” and “wrote all the other pinball references into the story sideways.”

“It worked. It made the whole story lighter, but it also made it more accessible and that allowed me to go deeper. Suddenly there was this sense that pinball was about the universe and an autistic, Asperger’s-afflicted, deaf, dumb and blind kid could be the key to it all.”






...Pete Townsend had a brother, Simon Townsend, who put out a couple of albums. Whether he's one-of us or no...do you mean Simon?


Pete has two brothers Simon and Paul that are much younger than. I do not know who is the brother that is supposedly autistic.


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05 Aug 2019, 2:34 am

I remember the romantic old days when Jim Reeves would sing...."Out in the west Texas Town of Old Paso, I fell in love with a Mexican girl".....lah lah lah

Now it's mass shooting and walls....



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05 Aug 2019, 3:41 am

Ironically for me the fist thing that came to mind was the El Passo wedding massacre from the movies Kill Bill 1 & 2.