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17 Oct 2019, 5:31 am

Wolfram87 wrote:
And presumably didn't identify himself as a police officer either.
He did not.


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17 Oct 2019, 6:59 am

Fireblossom wrote:
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At this point in time the chain of events seems to be that the victim was playing video games with her little nephew in a bedroom. She heard sounds outside and took her gun out of her purse for protraction and started to investigate.
When the perpetrator pointed his flashlight through a window he saw her pointing a gun at him and he opened fire.


That does make more sense, though the police officer is still one to blame.


Of course. That's why I called him the perpetrator.



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17 Oct 2019, 8:32 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Fireblossom wrote:
EzraS wrote:
At this point in time the chain of events seems to be that the victim was playing video games with her little nephew in a bedroom. She heard sounds outside and took her gun out of her purse for protraction and started to investigate.
When the perpetrator pointed his flashlight through a window he saw her pointing a gun at him and he opened fire.


That does make more sense, though the police officer is still one to blame.


Yes; he never told her to drop the gun.

Generally, police don't do that.


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17 Oct 2019, 8:39 am

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The subtle ethnic cleansing of America continues.

John F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King Jr. must be turning in their graves..... :skull:



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17 Oct 2019, 8:42 am

vermontsavant wrote:
Wolfram87 wrote:
And presumably didn't identify himself as a police officer either.
He did not.

We don't know that.


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17 Oct 2019, 10:29 am

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but I don't think treating your district like it's an active war zone is conducive to a positive outcome.


Well a lot of urban American neighborhoods resemble exactly that. You Swedes should be grateful you don't know what that's like.

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Apparently, DFW-area cops are the worst.


Sh!t, if I lived there I'd want to kill people too.

I just think it's funny that Americans think they're capable of serious political revolution when there's this much apathy towards "law enforcement" slaughtering innocent people in their own homes in the blink of an eye.

Like, really? THAT's not enough? What the hell is it going to take, then?
If I want someone killed in America, all I have to do is call the police to their home???


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17 Oct 2019, 10:52 am

Moretto wrote:
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but I don't think treating your district like it's an active war zone is conducive to a positive outcome.


Well a lot of urban American neighborhoods resemble exactly that. You Swedes should be grateful you don't know what that's like.


Quite grateful, I assure you. But if that is the case, then 6-9 months is nowhere near enough training to be even remotely competent to handle such areas, and sending in armed, twitchy and barely competent police officers is just going to be an active detriment.


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17 Oct 2019, 12:20 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
Wolfram87 wrote:
And presumably didn't identify himself as a police officer either.
He did not.

We don't know that.
From what I have read we do know that.


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17 Oct 2019, 1:54 pm

vermontsavant wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
Wolfram87 wrote:
And presumably didn't identify himself as a police officer either.
He did not.

We don't know that.
From what I have read we do know that.

You've read people who were not there, interpreting a few minutes of an edited video from a single officer that did not show what happened when the police arrived.


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17 Oct 2019, 3:02 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
Wolfram87 wrote:
And presumably didn't identify himself as a police officer either.
He did not.

We don't know that.
From what I have read we do know that.

You've read people who were not there, interpreting a few minutes of an edited video from a single officer that did not show what happened when the police arrived.

I found this ....

"In an update Sunday, police said the officers responding to the call didn’t park their marked cars in front of the house nor did they identity themselves as officers at any time"
https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2019/10/14/for ... jefferson/


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17 Oct 2019, 5:34 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
Wolfram87 wrote:
And presumably didn't identify himself as a police officer either.
He did not.

We don't know that.
From what I have read we do know that.

You've read people who were not there, interpreting a few minutes of an edited video from a single officer that did not show what happened when the police arrived.

I found this ....

"In an update Sunday, police said the officers responding to the call didn’t park their marked cars in front of the house nor did they identity themselves as officers at any time"
https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2019/10/14/for ... jefferson/


That sounds pretty confirmatory, the police didn't announce themselves.


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17 Oct 2019, 6:58 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Fireblossom wrote:
EzraS wrote:
At this point in time the chain of events seems to be that the victim was playing video games with her little nephew in a bedroom. She heard sounds outside and took her gun out of her purse for protraction and started to investigate.
When the perpetrator pointed his flashlight through a window he saw her pointing a gun at him and he opened fire.


That does make more sense, though the police officer is still one to blame.


Yes; he never told her to drop the gun.

Generally, police don't do that.


Plenty do. They aren't supposed to go off blasting at civilians. Of course, blacks have a different experience with the police than the rest of us do.


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17 Oct 2019, 7:17 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
Wolfram87 wrote:
And presumably didn't identify himself as a police officer either.
He did not.

We don't know that.
From what I have read we do know that.

You've read people who were not there, interpreting a few minutes of an edited video from a single officer that did not show what happened when the police arrived.

I found this ....

"In an update Sunday, police said the officers responding to the call didn’t park their marked cars in front of the house nor did they identity themselves as officers at any time"
https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2019/10/14/for ... jefferson/


When I watched the body cam footage I was asking, where are the red and blue strobes that should be reflecting against the house?



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17 Oct 2019, 9:27 pm

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When I watched the body cam footage I was asking, where are the red and blue strobes that should be reflecting against the house?

The latest is that police were NOT on a "wellness check", but rather a high alert "open structure" call.

This could explain why they did not have "flashers" on, or announce their presence.

This would also explain why there were so many of them.

They appeared to wrongly assume that a burglary was in progress.

"But the officer who shot her in her own home was sent on a call that police often handle as a potential burglary"

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/16/us/polic ... index.html


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17 Oct 2019, 10:02 pm

It often takes time for all the facts to fall into place.



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17 Oct 2019, 11:29 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
EzraS wrote:
When I watched the body cam footage I was asking, where are the red and blue strobes that should be reflecting against the house?

The latest is that police were NOT on a "wellness check", but rather a high alert "open structure" call.

This could explain why they did not have "flashers" on, or announce their presence.

This would also explain why there were so many of them.

They appeared to wrongly assume that a burglary was in progress.

"But the officer who shot her in her own home was sent on a call that police often handle as a potential burglary"

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/16/us/polic ... index.html


When the cop came up to the house, he could see that the door was not kicked in, the lights were on, toys were on the floor, and people were home. Why instead of announcing himself at that point to see if everything is OK, did he decide to skulk around in the dark?

Remember, this is in Texas, which has a high rate of gun ownership and a castle law. If a competent officer knows people are home, he would not going skulking around the house in the dark because of these factors. A homeowner might think he's an intruder and pull out a gun and shoot him; since the homeowner wouldn't necessarily know he's a cop, the homeowner might be justified.


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