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15 Feb 2025, 12:05 am

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The counselor was expected to do her job using evidence-based practices, and she did. That’s not to say that counselors never make mistakes or are always good at their job, but as was already stated, that says nothing about the DOE or even the school district in most cases.


Agree with this part...



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15 Feb 2025, 6:34 pm

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TwilightPrincess wrote:
The counselor was expected to do her job using evidence-based practices, and she did. That’s not to say that counselors never make mistakes or are always good at their job, but as was already stated, that says nothing about the DOE or even the school district in most cases.


Agree with this part...


Evidence based practice? 30 year old Aunt commits suicide + grief = Gay? Got it! :roll:


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15 Feb 2025, 6:42 pm

Persephone29 wrote:
cyberdora wrote:
TwilightPrincess wrote:
The counselor was expected to do her job using evidence-based practices, and she did. That’s not to say that counselors never make mistakes or are always good at their job, but as was already stated, that says nothing about the DOE or even the school district in most cases.


Agree with this part...


Evidence based practice? 30 year old Aunt commits suicide + grief = Gay? Got it!
I can’t speak specifically about what occurred with your granddaughter because, not having been involved in the counseling sessions to know exactly what was said and what led up to it, I can’t know the entire situation and whether what occurred was appropriate or not. It sounds like she didn’t tell her that she was gay but asked. In order to ask, she likely had specific reasons for doing so beyond apparent grief.

I will mention in passing that when it comes to my own counseling sessions I usually can’t remember exactly how things were phrased or, sometimes, how we got onto a specific tangent.

Making general statements about school counselors or the DOE based off of one experience seems rather hasty and anecdotal, though. I did say that counselors weren’t above making mistakes considering that they’re human, but in college courses and continuing education classes that staff must take, there is an emphasis on evidence-based practices. I have yet to see anything which would lead me to believe that there’s some conspiracy going on.


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15 Feb 2025, 7:08 pm

Persephone29 wrote:
cyberdora wrote:
TwilightPrincess wrote:
The counselor was expected to do her job using evidence-based practices, and she did. That’s not to say that counselors never make mistakes or are always good at their job, but as was already stated, that says nothing about the DOE or even the school district in most cases.


Agree with this part...


Evidence based practice? 30 year old Aunt commits suicide + grief = Gay? Got it! :roll:


No I agreed with the part that while counselors are expected to do their job (and most do) some make mistakes. Its possible the counselor working with your grand-daughter made a mistake.



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17 Feb 2025, 8:27 am

Get the Feds out of education, return the schools to the states. And people can move to or away from the things that don't fit. Easy peasy...


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17 Feb 2025, 9:53 am

Moving away is not an option for a lot of people, so no, it’s not “easy peasy.” Also, kids deserve a quality education no matter where they live. That would be even less likely to happen for many children without federal involvement. Certain states are pushing for religious indoctrination in schools. Anti-intellectualism is pandemic in some areas. Corporal punishment is still legal in 17 states and practiced in 14.

https://www.nea.org/nea-today/all-news- ... any-states

I think states should have less power in the realm of education than they currently do because they’ve demonstrated that they can’t handle it. It’s not fair for our kids, and it’s not good for our nation.


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17 Feb 2025, 10:31 am

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Get the Feds out of education, return the schools to the states.


And what exactly are the intended benefits of this approach, besides letting some some states adopt especially low standards?

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Easy peasy...


Easy peasy solutions are usually the result of not understanding the problem adequately. The only phrase that makes that mindset more obvious is 'Why doncha just...'.


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17 Feb 2025, 4:12 pm

An interesting list of recently published books being on a watch list for American schools.
https://pen.org/banned-books-list-2025/

Why is home of democracy banning international award winning titles from schools?
Why is black history month on the radar of the MAGA propaganda ministry?
https://www.bannedbooksbookclub.com/res ... ck-authors



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17 Feb 2025, 4:56 pm

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Moving away is not an option for a lot of people, so no, it’s not “easy peasy.” Also, kids deserve a quality education no matter where they live. That would be even less likely to happen for many children without federal involvement. Certain states are pushing for religious indoctrination in schools. Anti-intellectualism is pandemic in some areas. Corporal punishment is still legal in 17 states and practiced in 14.

https://www.nea.org/nea-today/all-news- ... any-states

I think states should have less power in the realm of education than they currently do because they’ve demonstrated that they can’t handle it. It’s not fair for our kids, and it’s not good for our nation.


Those sound like great ideals, only that's not what's happening. The grades that underperforming students receive aren't even accurate. They cannot give below a 69, even if the kid earns a 30. Transportation is in shambles, children who live a mile away must walk if their parents cannot transport them. And they cannot keep bus drivers... Are you currently dealing with having children in the public school system?


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17 Feb 2025, 5:05 pm

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Those sound like great ideals, only that's not what's happening. The grades that underperforming students receive aren't even accurate. They cannot give below a 69, even if the kid earns a 30. Transportation is in shambles, children who live a mile away must walk if their parents cannot transport them. And they cannot keep bus drivers... Are you currently dealing with having children in the public school system?


How exactly does dismantling the DoE address any of those problems? :scratch:


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17 Feb 2025, 5:27 pm

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Are you currently dealing with having children in the public school system?

My 14 year old son was in an underfunded public school until very recently and is currently in a public charter school, not that anecdotal evidence means much here. There’s a lot of variation - too much variation - among states and individual school districts. Resources need to be more evenly distributed. That continues to be a major issue in education, and it warrants more national attention/regulation, not less.


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TwilightPrincess wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
Are you currently dealing with having children in the public school system?

My 14 year old son was in an underfunded public school until very recently and is currently in a public charter school, not that anecdotal evidence means much here. There’s a lot of variation - too much variation - among states and individual school districts. Resources need to be more evenly distributed. That continues to be a major issue in education, and it warrants more national attention/regulation, not less.


Yes. I was born and raised in one of the bottom tier states for public education, and am now in one of the best (although I'm not in school anymore, obviously lol). It's absurd that any state is allowed to harm public education like what has happened in my home state.

They're more worried about forcing Christianity into schools and other culture wars BS than they are about improving schools. Which I mean is par for the course with right wing governance. They'll drive public schooling into a ditch so they can then turn around and complain about how bad it is so they can attempt to justify funding private indoctrinating schools. :x


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