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01 Jan 2008, 4:00 am

I'd like to hear the Bible for a change. I put up with blaring 'music' about violence and crimes, screaming in cellphones or at eachother, and I have to tolerate people calling me vile names and saying loudly what vile things will be done to me including rape and murder. I have asked for it to be stopped and been forced off the bus in violent areas late at night. I have been attacked on a bus, even drivers scream at me and kick me off for nonverbal. None of this bothers the driver or anyone else including most of those on this forum. How can we expect tolerance when we won't even tolerate each other?

I have never been on a quiet bus or even a tolerable level of sound unless I am alone with the driver. Out screaming seems required on any public transportation where I live and I wonder where all your calm quiet by law enforced busses are?????


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01 Jan 2008, 4:50 am

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I have never been on a quiet bus or even a tolerable level of sound unless I am alone with the driver. Out screaming seems required on any public transportation where I live and I wonder where all your calm quiet by law enforced busses are?????


I wouldn't travel on a bus late on a Friday night where I live but our buses are relatively peaceful. You don't have people screaming at each other if that's what you mean. It sounds as though you live in a rough area.



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01 Jan 2008, 6:17 am

it does seem a bit discriminatory, but i'd be annoyed out of my mind if i was anyone on that bus.



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01 Jan 2008, 7:32 am

It would be discriminatory if loud evangelist were allowed to proclaim their believes but loud teenagers were told to shut up. People have a right to peace and a right choose which information they want to hear more then others have a right to force opinions on them.



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01 Jan 2008, 9:07 am

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Jehova's Witnesses can be annoying too, when someone wants to get near me I would tell them that I believe in the Prime Directive ;)


i tell them i'm in the Jehovas Witness Protection Program


Ha! Good one. :)


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01 Jan 2008, 9:11 am

Man, you must live in the Combat Zone. I feel for you, I really do. I would NEVER put up with that s**t. Not for a second. I would find some someone to share a taxi or car service or walk or ride a bike for that matter rather than put myself through any of that. Even in freezing rain - and I've done that. Poncho, warm sweater underneath, a prayer - and you're good to go.

As for listening to the bible rather than that. There are different interpretations to the bible and 99.9% of them are wrong! So why would you subject your ears to hearing twisted truths? The best bet is to get yourself a cheap MP3 and find some good Noahide interpretations of the Bible online - free - which are the closest you can get to the original Hebrew - and listen to that! Not somebody's lies about how they *think* things were meant to be.

The only way you can survive in this world is if you get pro-active -and undo the shackles of the sheeple. The Noahide version will let you do just that. Good luck.

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I'd like to hear the Bible for a change. I put up with blaring 'music' about violence and crimes, screaming in cellphones or at eachother, and I have to tolerate people calling me vile names and saying loudly what vile things will be done to me including rape and murder. I have asked for it to be stopped and been forced off the bus in violent areas late at night. I have been attacked on a bus, even drivers scream at me and kick me off for nonverbal. None of this bothers the driver or anyone else including most of those on this forum. How can we expect tolerance when we won't even tolerate each other?

I have never been on a quiet bus or even a tolerable level of sound unless I am alone with the driver. Out screaming seems required on any public transportation where I live and I wonder where all your calm quiet by law enforced busses are?????


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01 Jan 2008, 9:13 am

Zwerfbeertje wrote:
It would be discriminatory if loud evangelist were allowed to proclaim their believes but loud teenagers were told to shut up. People have a right to peace and a right choose which information they want to hear more then others have a right to force opinions on them.



People have a right to peace and a right choose which information they want to hear


Do they? Who said?


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01 Jan 2008, 2:43 pm

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Proselytizing is an important part of Christianity. Prohibiting Christians from preaching the Word is religious discrimination and is unconstitutional.


What about my right to NOT be proselytized? I just want to be left alone!

If people just lived their religion instead of foisting it onto the rest of us, Christianity might not have such a bad reputation.



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01 Jan 2008, 5:04 pm

ed wrote:
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Proselytizing is an important part of Christianity. Prohibiting Christians from preaching the Word is religious discrimination and is unconstitutional.


What about my right to NOT be proselytized? I just want to be left alone!

If people just lived their religion instead of foisting it onto the rest of us, Christianity might not have such a bad reputation.


Exactly.


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01 Jan 2008, 5:08 pm

DFW dallas/fort worth has a lot of bible-thumbing loonies. they take their holy book way too real and do not know the meaning of the word no. In a way they are even more socially clueless then ppl with AS. And lot of them are wishful thinking, black and white iam right you are wrong loons. The more openminded theists in Texas think they are a rude bunch who make them look bad like they need the help with that.



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01 Jan 2008, 5:12 pm

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I'd like to hear the Bible for a change. I put up with blaring 'music' about violence and crimes, screaming in cellphones or at eachother, and I have to tolerate people calling me vile names and saying loudly what vile things will be done to me including rape and murder. I have asked for it to be stopped and been forced off the bus in violent areas late at night. I have been attacked on a bus, even drivers scream at me and kick me off for nonverbal. None of this bothers the driver or anyone else including most of those on this forum. How can we expect tolerance when we won't even tolerate each other?

I have never been on a quiet bus or even a tolerable level of sound unless I am alone with the driver. Out screaming seems required on any public transportation where I live and I wonder where all your calm quiet by law enforced busses are?????


Where do you live? Seems like you live in the ghetto.



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01 Jan 2008, 5:29 pm

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What about my right to NOT be proselytized? I just want to be left alone!


You have no such right. Have some tolerance for other peoples beliefs.

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If people just lived their religion instead of foisting it onto the rest of us, Christianity might not have such a bad reputation.


Evangelizing is part of being a Christian. There's no such thing as a Christian who keeps their religion to themselves. A Christian is someone who follows Christ. If Christ Jesus says, "Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation (Mark 16:15, NIV)" and someone refuses to listen because of man's laws or because they don't want to offend someone, then they are not a Christian. If the law gave you a right to not be proselytized then the law would discriminate against all Christians which is unconstitutional as well as intolerant and hateful.

Saint Paul was thrown in prison a few times and almost stoned to death, yet he kept on preaching to follow Christ and also because of his love for others, not wanting anyone to burn in Hell for an eternity. There is no way anyone who loves his neighbor will sit back as he follows the path to Hell without warning him in advance. That would be like letting a friend be consumed by a drug addiction without lifting a finger to help him. Christians proselytize out of love. No Christian wants you to go to Hell.



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01 Jan 2008, 5:44 pm

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You have no such right. Have some tolerance for other peoples beliefs.


Why should we? People who proselytise in this fashion are among the more ruder people I've ever met. Many of these religions are fronted by extremely intolerant people anyway. Keep your dogma to the church.

I can tolerate other people having beliefs as long as I don't get a sermon on them.



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01 Jan 2008, 5:46 pm

So not giving Christians special rights that non-christians don't have, we somehow oppress them?

Cool.

My religion states that you should give me 100 bucks.
If you dont, then you are oppresing me.
You don't want to be an oppressor, do you?



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01 Jan 2008, 6:11 pm

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Why should we? People who proselytise in this fashion are among the more ruder people I've ever met. Many of these religions are fronted by extremely intolerant people anyway. Keep your dogma to the church.

I can tolerate other people having beliefs as long as I don't get a sermon on them.


I tolerate proselytizing from all religions. Why? Because it's a basic human right to let them practice their religion, it's the right thing to do, do I really have to explain? It's like asking, "Why should I tolerate black people, Jews, etc?" Ignorance isn't good for anybody. You don't have to put up with rudeness or close-minded people who preach but refuse to listen. But if someone is practicing their religion appropriately and trying to save your soul from Hell (or whatever their religion teaches), then you should be respectful and be happy they care enough about you to want to help you.



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01 Jan 2008, 6:15 pm

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So not giving Christians special rights that non-christians don't have, we somehow oppress them?


Practicing one's religion is not a special right. It's a basic human right that everyone is entitled to. I don't know about your country but in America it's in our Constitution.

I fully support and will defend your right to preach atheism, paganism, or whatever spiritual or religious belief you choose because I believe in freedom of religion and freedom of speech.