EU wants to ban 'sexist' TV commercials

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11 Sep 2008, 11:21 am

Sorry if you misunderstood me... I just meant that your government likes to manipulate it's people. Yes, my country is extremely corrupt, I bribe a cop Rs 50 (little over a dollar) per week so that I can call him and he threatens auto rickshaw drivers, hehe. xD

As for the sexist ads, it's ok to have sexist advertisements if there was a blocking feature implemented universally for those who wish for it. I personally don't want to see lingerie ads when I'm watching the news or the history channel, for example. I don't want to get aroused. I'm trying to become a pious person, but I like watching history and current events on tv. Do I not have a right to view advertisements of products I would want to buy, such as cell phones, without viewing some cleavage?

Yes, the USSR was very anti-religion. I agree, and I'm against the communist policy 100%. I just said that America alone did not end WW2. The USA is slowly turning into the new USSR, or maybe even the new Nazi Empire, as far as I'm concerned. And I pray everyday that the good people of America, righteous as they are, will put an end to this. I do pray that America will return to it's peaceful policy prior to WW2. Everyone loved America back then.

Sorry, I did not claim that you don't know anything about WW2 Dox47, you're a very learned person. I just hope you understand my point of view. I consider my government as very oppressive, we Muslims suffer from a lot of discrimination here, everyday.



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11 Sep 2008, 2:05 pm

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I say more sex on TV and less violence.


Only as long as it's off-camera. Putting sex in someone's job description is just plain abusive: You wanna earn a living, honey? This is what ya gotta do.

Have you tried acting? Taken any acting classes? Auditioned for anything? You wouldn't last long if you had to do it. Most people wouldn't. It's creepy and disgusting. Euww!

Well I don't know much about this, but I could say that there are tricks for it, and usually stunt doubles are the ones who do explicit scenes, I would think kissing scenes could be worse than that, in that case.

I find funny somehow that people seem to think that sex is worse than violence on TV, I mean, two people enjoying themselves worse than one murdering another, for entertainment? (fictional of course:p) It's interesting to see.


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11 Sep 2008, 2:09 pm

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What you are personally against shouldn't matter, don't watch what you don't like. It's this kind of "we don't like it so YOU shouldn't be allowed to watch it" crap that bother me, especially when it comes at the state level. I don't care if it's the Muslims and their Danish cartoonist, the Jews and Mel Gibson, or the Pope and his crucified frog, if you don't like something, avoid it, but don't impose your creed on others.

Agreed.


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11 Sep 2008, 2:15 pm

Khan_Sama wrote:
As for the sexist ads, it's ok to have sexist advertisements if there was a blocking feature implemented universally for those who wish for it. I personally don't want to see lingerie ads when I'm watching the news or the history channel, for example. I don't want to get aroused. I'm trying to become a pious person, but I like watching history and current events on tv. Do I not have a right to view advertisements of products I would want to buy, such as cell phones, without viewing some cleavage?


See that I can live with, put an electronic tag on all potentially offensive content (including advertising) and give everybody v-chips. It's the idea of someone else setting the bar for what is or isn't acceptable in my household that irks me, that authority should be mine alone. Personalized screening might actually work better for the add companies as well, since they wouldn't have to waste money with a shotgun approach to advertising, and could tailor pitches to you based on your preferences, kind of like what is happening with internet adds.


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11 Sep 2008, 2:34 pm

greenblue wrote:
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Only as long as it's off-camera. Putting sex in someone's job description is just plain abusive: You wanna earn a living, honey? This is what ya gotta do.

Have you tried acting? Taken any acting classes? Auditioned for anything? You wouldn't last long if you had to do it. Most people wouldn't. It's creepy and disgusting. Euww!

I find funny somehow that people seem to think that sex is worse than violence on TV, I mean, two people enjoying themselves worse than one murdering another, for entertainment?

Someone once told me that if a man fondles a woman's bare breast in a movie, that movie gets an X rating, (sexually explicit act,) but if he cuts it off with a chainsaw, that gets an R. :?


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11 Sep 2008, 2:49 pm

I can vouch for what Anemone said about acting... it's awfully hard work, grueling hours, you have to deal with people with extreme personalities who are accustomed to being pampered, the makeup is thick nasty stuff that never fully comes off and leaves you smelling, and some days you wrap after midnight and have to show up for makeup and costumes for the next day's shoot at 3 am...

complain once, and you never work again... fail to show up once, same thing...

Worst. Job. Ever.



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11 Sep 2008, 6:14 pm

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I find funny somehow that people seem to think that sex is worse than violence on TV, I mean, two people enjoying themselves worse than one murdering another, for entertainment? (fictional of course:p) It's interesting to see.


We are in agreement on this. :)



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12 Sep 2008, 11:54 am

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. . . and usually stunt doubles are the ones who do explicit scenes . . .


They're people too.



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12 Sep 2008, 12:04 pm

Dox47 wrote:
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As for the sexist ads, it's ok to have sexist advertisements if there was a blocking feature implemented universally for those who wish for it. I personally don't want to see lingerie ads when I'm watching the news or the history channel, for example. I don't want to get aroused. I'm trying to become a pious person, but I like watching history and current events on tv. Do I not have a right to view advertisements of products I would want to buy, such as cell phones, without viewing some cleavage?


See that I can live with, put an electronic tag on all potentially offensive content (including advertising) and give everybody v-chips. It's the idea of someone else setting the bar for what is or isn't acceptable in my household that irks me, that authority should be mine alone. Personalized screening might actually work better for the add companies as well, since they wouldn't have to waste money with a shotgun approach to advertising, and could tailor pitches to you based on your preferences, kind of like what is happening with internet adds.


This would be tantamount to inviting Big Brother into your living room, though wouldn't it? Dox, I'd think you would be passionately opposed to something like this. I know how badly you'd want the government shrunken small enough to fit on a postage stamp ...



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12 Sep 2008, 1:52 pm

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This would be tantamount to inviting Big Brother into your living room, though wouldn't it? Dox, I'd think you would be passionately opposed to something like this. I know how badly you'd want the government shrunken small enough to fit on a postage stamp ...


Skimming again? Most of what I suggested is already implemented through the TV ratings systems for working with the V-chip, I simply suggested that the system be extended to advertising for people like KS who don't want to be bombarded with risque advertisements. I don't have a problem with allowing people to personalize their viewing experience, how is that inviting Big Brother into the house? As far as reducing the size of the government goes, I'm aiming for a size more in the region of a post card, a postage stamp would be the size of the DEA and BATFE if I had my way.


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13 Sep 2008, 1:05 am

Dox47 wrote:
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As for the sexist ads, it's ok to have sexist advertisements if there was a blocking feature implemented universally for those who wish for it. I personally don't want to see lingerie ads when I'm watching the news or the history channel, for example. I don't want to get aroused. I'm trying to become a pious person, but I like watching history and current events on tv. Do I not have a right to view advertisements of products I would want to buy, such as cell phones, without viewing some cleavage?


See that I can live with, put an electronic tag on all potentially offensive content (including advertising) and give everybody v-chips. It's the idea of someone else setting the bar for what is or isn't acceptable in my household that irks me, that authority should be mine alone. Personalized screening might actually work better for the add companies as well, since they wouldn't have to waste money with a shotgun approach to advertising, and could tailor pitches to you based on your preferences, kind of like what is happening with internet adds.



Yes, that would be a perfect solution. It's an wonderful idea. Day by day, I find myself downloading documentaries via bittorrent and reading the news online, due to the offensive content on the tube. If this was available on my Dish tv system, then I wouldn't worry about a thing. Of course, it's more likely the Indian government will ban sexist & stereotypical ads within a couple of months, so I don't see this kind of situation ever turning up here.



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13 Sep 2008, 7:03 am

Remember what almost happened to Richard Gere in India? He kissed a pretty girl and they wanted to skin him alive. Never before then have I seen a crowd of psychotics literally howl for a man's blood, burn him in effigy, wail to their heathen gods, etc.

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13 Sep 2008, 7:57 am

Yes, the Shiv Sena are like that. That's how they get votes. They're India's version of the Westbro Baptist Church, along with other organisation like the RSS, Bajrang Dal (the only group that publically says that it enjoys making Muslims eat their own feces), VHP, BJP (more moderate than the rest, still very conservative, it's the opposition party in the parliament), etc. In fact, I think that Hindu religious fanatics outnumber their Muslim/Christian counterparts 100:1.



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13 Sep 2008, 8:04 am

Khan_Sama wrote:
Yes, the Shiv Sena are like that. That's how they get votes. They're India's version of the Westbro Baptist Church, along with other organisation like the RSS, Bajrang Dal (the only group that publically says that it enjoys making Muslims eat their own feces), VHP, BJP (more moderate than the rest, still very conservative, it's the opposition party in the parliament), etc. In fact, I think that Hindu religious fanatics outnumber their Muslim/Christian counterparts 100:1.


Watching the media coverage of that memorable event, I couldn't help wondering how the Shiv Sena might have reacted to the carnal antics of Mister Ron Jeremy. 8O



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13 Sep 2008, 11:35 pm

Just did a wiki search on him. Firstly, pornography is strictly illegal in India, along with sex toys, unnatural sex, etc. His punishment by the government would be 7-10 years in jail, as men involved in pornography are considered as exploiters of women. The women involved would be sent to a rehab centre for prostitutes, as they consider it a form of prostitution. As kissing in India is only illegal as "public indecency", and public indecency is not defined, it's usually up to the local police to define what they consider as public indecency. The punishment for that is usually a small fine. As in the case of Richard Gere, it's obvious that the police had no intention of humiliating it, so the Shiv Sena took up the cause. If you look at the history of the Shiv Sena and their breakaway group the MNS, they'll always use violence to put an end to anything they consider goes against Marathi (the state is Maharashtra) values and pride. The MNS is worse than the Shiv Sena, their leader, Raj Thackeray, compares himself to Hitler!

Hence, in the case of Ron Jeremy, these outfits would not interfere, as not only would he be taken to jail, he would be beaten to a pulp in the process. However, if he visited India, and did nothing here, nothing would happen. Only a handful of people might have heard of him.

Oh yeah, none of my friends would ever dare to kiss their girlfriends in public. As it is, the police roam around the lake area and such hotspots looking for couples making out in their cars. I recall that a few months back, a few friends were smoking pot in their car, when four cops caught them. They were rough with them at first, thinking they hired a prostitute inside, when they saw that it was pot, they laughed, took a bribe of Rs 200 (little over $4), and left. Such is the situation in India when it comes to morales.



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14 Sep 2008, 7:04 am

I'm partial to the idea of Ron Jeremy being beaten to a pulp.