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Ishmael
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14 Oct 2008, 9:56 pm

Firstly; the two planes were easily sufficient to destroy those towers.
The towers were not well designed to survive that; gravity, the towers themselves and many other basic physics factors clearly demonstrate it.
This "for the oil" nonsense is bizarre... True, the only reason America bothered in the first place was that Iraq has oil - but not to take it! I don't see barrels of oil being transported to the US! America wanted - stupidly - to stabilize a small portion of world oil supply from a tyrant not cooperating with their anti-terror intentions.
If you'll read one of those books I told you about - if they are even available in other nations - you'll see why.


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14 Oct 2008, 10:00 pm

Is that you in the picture.


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14 Oct 2008, 10:01 pm

Ishmael wrote:
They legally fit terrorists!
Who knows what kind of security measures they could have set off - and who knows what behaviour they might have decided were rational?
Breaking into any sort of weapons facility is no "protest" or minor transgression!
I think, by that logic, just to "protest" - I may as well steal an F/A-18 and go on a tank hunting rampage - y'know, as an anti-war "protest".
Breaking into an armed facility is an aggresive act; not exactly anti-war by any realistic description.


Nuns, Ishmael. Nuns.



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14 Oct 2008, 10:08 pm

Nuns are creepy. They think they are married to a two thousand year old dead guy...
Anybody who lives in a commune aeperate from the real world is, to me, even more unpredictable than anybody else. As evidenced by their actions, no less!


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14 Oct 2008, 10:12 pm

I like kittens.


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14 Oct 2008, 10:13 pm

Ishmael wrote:
Nuns are creepy. They think they are married to a two thousand year old dead guy...
Anybody who lives in a commune aeperate from the real world is, to me, even more unpredictable than anybody else. As evidenced by their actions, no less!


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14 Oct 2008, 10:28 pm

slowmutant wrote:
Ishmael wrote:
Nuns are creepy. They think they are married to a two thousand year old dead guy...
Anybody who lives in a commune aeperate from the real world is, to me, even more unpredictable than anybody else. As evidenced by their actions, no less!


:roll:


Yeah, 'cause you're an objective observer...
You'd tickle the popes balls if he asked you to; so of course, by your view, nuns can do no wrong!
Ah, what utter nunsense!


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14 Oct 2008, 11:50 pm

If you were living in Germany when the Jews were in the concentration camps and millions of people were being slaughtered for the Fatherland,
would you have done anything?

Answer the question Charlie Sheen.


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15 Oct 2008, 12:19 am

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Science has proven that two Aeroplanes were insufficient to bring down one tower, let alone three. Each skyscraper was constructed to survive multiple impacts.

1/5th of America's population believes that the govt was behind 9/11. When will everyone else wake up?

War = profits. War = promotes weapons industry. War = establishes puppet governments. War = takes control of vital resources. There are countless reasons why a nation would want to declare war, especially a nation with a strong army. These reasons stand out.


Actually it was not the impact alone that brought them down if my memory is correct I believe the intense heat of the burning towers weakened each tower until it collapsed. Which think about it they were going around what around 450 miles per hour and weighing at least fifty tons each they hit two towers sending shock waves through each tower upwards and downwards then they start catching on fire which would have caused the already stressed frame of the building to start collapsing.

Think about it, the math does compute.


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15 Oct 2008, 12:19 am

Okay, Ive tried this three times - and three times the frigging iPhone crashed!
Fine! I'll just summarise, apple!! !

Charlie sheen? You can't possibly compare modern day US and Nazis.
Insurgents kill more Iraqis than US. Read the book I mentioned.

There. F**k you, apple.


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15 Oct 2008, 2:22 am

hahahahahahahah


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15 Oct 2008, 2:33 am

philosopherBoi wrote:
Khan_Sama wrote:
Science has proven that two Aeroplanes were insufficient to bring down one tower, let alone three. Each skyscraper was constructed to survive multiple impacts.

1/5th of America's population believes that the govt was behind 9/11. When will everyone else wake up?

War = profits. War = promotes weapons industry. War = establishes puppet governments. War = takes control of vital resources. There are countless reasons why a nation would want to declare war, especially a nation with a strong army. These reasons stand out.


Actually it was not the impact alone that brought them down if my memory is correct I believe the intense heat of the burning towers weakened each tower until it collapsed. Which think about it they were going around what around 450 miles per hour and weighing at least fifty tons each they hit two towers sending shock waves through each tower upwards and downwards then they start catching on fire which would have caused the already stressed frame of the building to start collapsing.

Think about it, the math does compute.


Nope, that doesn't agree with science. No steel building has ever collapsed due to fire in history. Ever.



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15 Oct 2008, 2:47 am

Engineers who questioned this had their website shut down by the new bill HR 1955
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wJsovPRTEM[/youtube]


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15 Oct 2008, 7:06 am

Khan_sama, steel buildings have collapsed to fire.
Especially if it was first hit by a massive impact, the steel structure would weaken from the superheated jet fuel, which is an accelerant, not to mention the weight of the roofs collapsed, weakened each floor, adding debris to impact on the next floor, etc. It's a very standard mass/velocity model with a variable factor.


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15 Oct 2008, 8:03 am

Ishmael wrote:
They legally fit terrorists!
Who knows what kind of security measures they could have set off - and who knows what behaviour they might have decided were rational?
Breaking into any sort of weapons facility is no "protest" or minor transgression!
I think, by that logic, just to "protest" - I may as well steal an F/A-18 and go on a tank hunting rampage - y'know, as an anti-war "protest".
Breaking into an armed facility is an aggresive act; not exactly anti-war by any realistic description.


Sorry mate but you really are not making a great deal of sense, non violent protest is not terrorism. Heck by your definition the Chaser boys should be in Guantanamo Bay by now. Non Australians 'The Chasers War On Everything' TV show. They nearly got themselves shot pretending to be Osama at the Pacific Leaders forum in Sydney

Academic Consensus Definition: "Terrorism is an anxiety-inspiring method of repeated violent action, employed by (semi-) clandestine individual, group or state actors, for idiosyncratic, criminal or political reasons, whereby - in contrast to assassination - the direct targets of violence are not the main targets. The immediate human victims of violence are generally chosen randomly (targets of opportunity) or selectively (representative or symbolic targets) from a target population, and serve as message generators. Threat- and violence-based communication processes between terrorist (organization), (imperilled) victims, and main targets are used to manipulate the main target (audience(s)), turning it into a target of terror, a target of demands, or a target of attention, depending on whether intimidation, coercion, or propaganda is primarily sought"

Stealing tanks and F1-18s would be theft not terrorism


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15 Oct 2008, 8:15 am

Ishmael wrote:
Khan_sama, steel buildings have collapsed to fire.
Especially if it was first hit by a massive impact, the steel structure would weaken from the superheated jet fuel, which is an accelerant, not to mention the weight of the roofs collapsed, weakened each floor, adding debris to impact on the next floor, etc. It's a very standard mass/velocity model with a variable factor.


Yay for once I agree with you. It has been shown quite conclusivley that the fire protection applied to the steel girders was in poor condition. Basically the girders buckled and came away for the sides under the heat from the fire, the rest is history.

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Yeah, 'cause you're an objective observer...
You'd tickle the popes balls if he asked you to; so of course, by your view, nuns can do no wrong!
Ah, what utter nunsense!


:lol:
Agreeing with you twice in one night I best get myself of to the Dr's


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