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07 Jan 2009, 11:36 am

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The Jewish territory grew after each war against Israel. In war, the losers lose. 56, 67, 73 and the intifada. The Palestinians simply don't get it.

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Are you suggesting that it is alright for the victor to break international laws and treaties that recognize a people's rights to home, family, land and work, all of which are robbed in a land grab?


In a war, you punish your enemies and take their assets. Maybe the Palestinians should stop making war against Israel. Then the people could settle down to peaceful pursuits and everyone would prosper. International Law is a crock of crap. There is no Government to formulate it or enforce it. In international affairs we live by our wits and our arms. The U.S. has rejected several treaties put forth in the U.N.. Does that make American's criminals.

In the affairs of Man, Might still Makes Right. That is the way it is and that is the way it will be. Get used to it.

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07 Jan 2009, 11:37 am

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I am as impartial to this issue as you can get, and I would like to ask just one question. Why does Hamas refuse to accept the right of Israel to exist?


Their religion (Islam) makes them crazy.

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02 Jun 2010, 10:03 am

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Why is there this tendency to assume the Iraelis and Palestinians are on equal ground?

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Ah-Q, your attempts at deception are revealed.

Here are some facts and missing context from the picture:

1946 image: Palestine was never its own nation. The land was under British control at that time.
1947 image: This map precisely follows the borders which were agreed upon by the UN. The Israelis, naturally accepted it, as they gained land from it. The Egyptians, Jordanians, and their allies, (there were no Palestinians yet, that came later,) naturally rejected the idea, as they lost land.
1949-1967 image: After the Arab-Israeli war, These borders were agreed upon by all parties involved, (Israel, Jordan, and Egypt.)
2000 image: After the 1967 war, Jordan and Egypt withdraw from the area, but the people in the West Bank and Gaza do not wish to be under Israeli rule. Citing the widely accepted idea of the need for consent of the governed, residents of those areas declare themselves to be their own nationality. They are no longer Jordanian or Egyptian, but they are not Israeli either. They rightfully claim themselves to be their own entity, taking on the name "Palestinians." Meanwhile, due to anti-Israeli sentiment in the area, Israel needs to maintain a military presence to prevent violence within its borders. Currently, there is a complicated system of "A areas" and "B areas," that forms an attempt at maintaining Palestinian rights while maintaining Israel's security.


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12 Jun 2010, 3:33 pm

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International Law is a crock of crap. There is no Government to formulate it or enforce it. In international affairs we live by our wits and our arms. The U.S. has rejected several treaties put forth in the U.N.. Does that make Americans criminals.
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As it happens, yes it does. The U.S. is one of the biggest obstacles for world peace right now.



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12 Jun 2010, 3:38 pm

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International Law is a crock of crap. There is no Government to formulate it or enforce it. In international affairs we live by our wits and our arms. The U.S. has rejected several treaties put forth in the U.N.. Does that make Americans criminals.
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As it happens, yes it does. The U.S. is one of the biggest obstacles for world peace right now.


Horsepoop. The only law the U.S. is bound by is treaties approved by the Senate and internally, laws passed by Congress. No other law is binding on the U.S.

World Peace is a fond hope, a boojum and a pipe dream. There will never be world peace until the human race is extinct.

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12 Jun 2010, 5:11 pm

Every nation that has signed the United Nations Chart is bound by it.



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12 Jun 2010, 6:09 pm

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Every nation that has signed the United Nations Chart is bound by it.


And just who is going to enforce it? The U.N. and what army is going to impose its will on the U.S.A.. Without the U.S.A. and the dues it pays the U.N. would go belly up.

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12 Jun 2010, 7:48 pm

If the UN ruled everything, we would live in a world ruled only by dictators, warlords, theocracies, and other destructive forms of government. War, slavery, anarchy, and genocide would be the norm.


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14 Jun 2010, 1:26 am

ruveyn wrote:
Ah_Q wrote:
Why is there this tendency to assume the Iraelis and Palestinians are on equal ground?

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Does anyone see any meaning in this image?


The Jewish territory grew after each war against Israel. In war, the losers lose. 56, 67, 73 and the intifada. The Palestinians simply don't get it.

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Ah, the anguished Jewish Israeli lament:"They are a defeated people! Why don't they act like one! Why don't they sign on the dotted line! It's anti-Semitism! They're trying to thwart us yet again."



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14 Jun 2010, 1:28 am

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Ah_Q wrote:
Why is there this tendency to assume the Iraelis and Palestinians are on equal ground?

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Ah-Q, your attempts at deception are revealed.

Here are some facts and missing context from the picture:

1946 image: Palestine was never its own nation. The land was under British control at that time.
1947 image: This map precisely follows the borders which were agreed upon by the UN. The Israelis, naturally accepted it, as they gained land from it. The Egyptians, Jordanians, and their allies, (there were no Palestinians yet, that came later,) naturally rejected the idea, as they lost land.
1949-1967 image: After the Arab-Israeli war, These borders were agreed upon by all parties involved, (Israel, Jordan, and Egypt.)
2000 image: After the 1967 war, Jordan and Egypt withdraw from the area, but the people in the West Bank and Gaza do not wish to be under Israeli rule. Citing the widely accepted idea of the need for consent of the governed, residents of those areas declare themselves to be their own nationality. They are no longer Jordanian or Egyptian, but they are not Israeli either. They rightfully claim themselves to be their own entity, taking on the name "Palestinians." Meanwhile, due to anti-Israeli sentiment in the area, Israel needs to maintain a military presence to prevent violence within its borders. Currently, there is a complicated system of "A areas" and "B areas," that forms an attempt at maintaining Palestinian rights while maintaining Israel's security.


The League of Nations Covenant made Palestine a country with "provisional independence" subject to temporary "tutelage" from the mandatory power. For former Ottoman territories, self-rule and elections were mandated.



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14 Jun 2010, 1:31 am

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cybershooter wrote:
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The Jewish territory grew after each war against Israel. In war, the losers lose. 56, 67, 73 and the intifada. The Palestinians simply don't get it.

ruveyn


Are you suggesting that it is alright for the victor to break international laws and treaties that recognize a people's rights to home, family, land and work, all of which are robbed in a land grab?


In a war, you punish your enemies and take their assets. Maybe the Palestinians should stop making war against Israel. Then the people could settle down to peaceful pursuits and everyone would prosper. International Law is a crock of crap. There is no Government to formulate it or enforce it. In international affairs we live by our wits and our arms. The U.S. has rejected several treaties put forth in the U.N.. Does that make American's criminals.

In the affairs of Man, Might still Makes Right. That is the way it is and that is the way it will be. Get used to it.

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Palestinians making war against Israel? Like the ethnic cleansing of 1947-48 that was a direct Zionist assault, an unprovoked attack? The 1967 war was an Israeli aggression as the 1956 aggression. The only "war" Palestinians have made has been to struggle against the occupation that is determined to enforce Apartheid. Moshe Dayan compared it to rape. "The situation today resembles the complex relationship between a Bedouin man and the girl he kidnaps against his will ... You Palestinians, as a nation, don't want us today, but we'll change your attitude by forcing our presence on you." You will "live like dogs, and whoever will leave, will leave."



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14 Jun 2010, 5:35 am

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Palestinians making war against Israel? Like the ethnic cleansing of 1947-48 that was a direct Zionist assault, an unprovoked attack? The 1967 war was an Israeli aggression as the 1956 aggression. The only "war" Palestinians have made has been to struggle against the occupation that is determined to enforce Apartheid. Moshe Dayan compared it to rape. "The situation today resembles the complex relationship between a Bedouin man and the girl he kidnaps against his will ... You Palestinians, as a nation, don't want us today, but we'll change your attitude by forcing our presence on you." You will "live like dogs, and whoever will leave, will leave."
Wow. I have never seen history so thoroughly flipped over on its head. These wars were documented quite well by all sides. Where in the world did you learn the opposite of reality? Nevermind, it is obvious from your posting history that you are a muslum with all of the warped side effects including being pro violent jihad, anti Israel, anti American, and mis-educated about history and politics.


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16 Jun 2010, 11:00 am

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Palestinians making war against Israel? Like the ethnic cleansing of 1947-48 that was a direct Zionist assault, an unprovoked attack? The 1967 war was an Israeli aggression as the 1956 aggression. The only "war" Palestinians have made has been to struggle against the occupation that is determined to enforce Apartheid. Moshe Dayan compared it to rape. "The situation today resembles the complex relationship between a Bedouin man and the girl he kidnaps against his will ... You Palestinians, as a nation, don't want us today, but we'll change your attitude by forcing our presence on you." You will "live like dogs, and whoever will leave, will leave."
Wow. I have never seen history so thoroughly flipped over on its head. These wars were documented quite well by all sides. Where in the world did you learn the opposite of reality? Nevermind, it is obvious from your posting history that you are a muslum with all of the warped side effects including being pro violent jihad, anti Israel, anti American, and mis-educated about history and politics.


Sorry for singling you out but your total stupidity is truely impressive, did it take long to learn?



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16 Jun 2010, 12:33 pm

xenon13 wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
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ruveyn wrote:
The Jewish territory grew after each war against Israel. In war, the losers lose. 56, 67, 73 and the intifada. The Palestinians simply don't get it.

ruveyn


Are you suggesting that it is alright for the victor to break international laws and treaties that recognize a people's rights to home, family, land and work, all of which are robbed in a land grab?


In a war, you punish your enemies and take their assets. Maybe the Palestinians should stop making war against Israel. Then the people could settle down to peaceful pursuits and everyone would prosper. International Law is a crock of crap. There is no Government to formulate it or enforce it. In international affairs we live by our wits and our arms. The U.S. has rejected several treaties put forth in the U.N.. Does that make American's criminals.

In the affairs of Man, Might still Makes Right. That is the way it is and that is the way it will be. Get used to it.

ruveyn


Palestinians making war against Israel? Like the ethnic cleansing of 1947-48 that was a direct Zionist assault, an unprovoked attack? The 1967 war was an Israeli aggression as the 1956 aggression. The only "war" Palestinians have made has been to struggle against the occupation that is determined to enforce Apartheid. Moshe Dayan compared it to rape. "The situation today resembles the complex relationship between a Bedouin man and the girl he kidnaps against his will ... You Palestinians, as a nation, don't want us today, but we'll change your attitude by forcing our presence on you." You will "live like dogs, and whoever will leave, will leave."


If that's the case, would you care to explain why the destruction of Israel is in Hamas' charter? Here's the quote:

Quote:
'Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will

obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.' (Preamble)


This story about Palestinians only struggling against occupation and Israel being the aggressor is nonsense and the proof is right there. Below is a link to whole charter:

http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/880818a.htm



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Palestinians making war against Israel? Like the ethnic cleansing of 1947-48 that was a direct Zionist assault, an unprovoked attack? The 1967 war was an Israeli aggression as the 1956 aggression. The only "war" Palestinians have made has been to struggle against the occupation that is determined to enforce Apartheid. Moshe Dayan compared it to rape. "The situation today resembles the complex relationship between a Bedouin man and the girl he kidnaps against his will ... You Palestinians, as a nation, don't want us today, but we'll change your attitude by forcing our presence on you." You will "live like dogs, and whoever will leave, will leave."
Wow. I have never seen history so thoroughly flipped over on its head. These wars were documented quite well by all sides. Where in the world did you learn the opposite of reality? Nevermind, it is obvious from your posting history that you are a muslum with all of the warped side effects including being pro violent jihad, anti Israel, anti American, and mis-educated about history and politics.

Sorry for singling you out but your total stupidity is truely impressive, did it take long to learn?
Actually, it took having work assignments to Egypt and Turkey for six months and to Israel for a year. After I lived with muslums, jews, christians, and those who really did not care about religion, I discovered the reality of the conflict. The only muslums who are nice people don't really want to be muslum.The problem is they can't change religions for fear of being murdered for it. I studied and learned the history of islamic conflict and causes. Muslums are at war with the world, and Israel is an oasis of religious freedom surrounded by islamic intolerance. Maybe I am stupid for pointing out when people lie about muslums, but I just can't ignore the evil they commit in the name of their god. You can reply to me about my thoughts after you live an islamic country while wearing a religious symbol around your neck.
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26 Jun 2010, 2:36 am

The only time the Arabs started one of those wars was 1973 and this was done only because Egypt and Syria wanted their lands back and Henry Kissinger suggested a "stalemate" policy where Israel would sit on the land indefinitely. Israel does not even recognise itself having borders at all. They are expansionist.

As for Hamas' charter, so what? It thinks the Zionist regime will end in Palestine. The Apartheid regime ended. Some people believe in the Battle of Armageddon. Should such people be forced to recant such beliefs as prerequisite for their belonging to civilisation?