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15 Dec 2019, 8:48 am

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What's it mean when the climate change scientists remain obscure and a kid ends up taking their place as the spokesperson for climate change?


It means it's not a scientific debate anymore. It's a political debate and politicians know it's not their time to lead the fight yet. It's time for people to get their heads out of the sand, grow up fast and take this issue seriously :x.


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15 Dec 2019, 9:26 am

CarlM wrote:
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What's it mean when the climate change scientists remain obscure and a kid ends up taking their place as the spokesperson for climate change?


It means it's not a scientific debate anymore. It's a political debate and politicians know it's not their time to lead the fight yet. It's time for people to get their heads out of the sand, grow up fast and take this issue seriously :x.


Oh so it's not scientific anymore, now it's political. It's always been political.

"It's time for people to get their heads out of the sand, grow up fast and take this issue seriously :x"

Translation: vote left wing.



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15 Dec 2019, 9:54 am

This won't make a blind bit of difference.


https://climate.nasa.gov/faq/17/do-scientists-agree-on-climate-change/



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NASA
Global Climate Change
Vital Signs of the Planet

Do scientists agree on climate change?
Yes, the vast majority of actively publishing climate scientists – 97 percent – agree that humans are causing global warming and climate change. Most of the leading science organizations around the world have issued public statements expressing this, including international and U.S. science academies, the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and a whole host of reputable scientific bodies around the world. A list of these organizations is provided here.

Scientific consensus: Earth's climate is warming​
“The scientific consensus on climate change,” N. Oreskes, Science, Vol. 306 no. 5702, p. 1686, doi: 10.1126/science.1103618 (2004).
“Quantifying the consensus on anthropogenic global warming in the scientific literature,” J. Cook et al., Environ. Res. Lett., 8 024024, doi:10.1088/1748-9326/8/2/024024 (2013).
ADDITIONAL CITATIONS

"Consensus on consensus: a synthesis of consensus estimates on human-caused global warming Environ," J. Cook et al., Res. Lett. 11 (2016) 048002, pp 1–7, doi:10.1088/1748-9326/11/4/048002 (2016).

"Examining the Scientific Consensus on Climate Change," P. Doran et al., EOS, Vol. 90, Issue 3, Pages 22–23, doi: 10.1029/2009EO030002 (2009).

"Expert credibility in climate change," W. Anderegg et al., PNAS, Vol. 107 no. 27, 12107–12109, doi: 10.1073/pnas.1003187107 (2010).

"Meteorologists' Views About Global Warming: A Survey of American Meteorological Society Professional Members," N. Stenhouse et al., Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society, Volume 95 No. 7, pp 1029–1040, doi: 10.1175/ BAMS-D-13-00091.1 (2014).

"Scientists’ Views about Attribution of Global Warming," B. Verheggen et al., Environ. Sci. Technol., 48 (16), pp 8963–8971, doi: 10.1021/es501998e (2014).

"The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists," J.S. Carlton et al., Environ. Res. Lett. 10 (2015) 094025, pp 1–12, doi:10.1088/1748-9326/10/9/094025 (2015).
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15 Dec 2019, 10:03 am

EzraS wrote:
CarlM wrote:
EzraS wrote:
What's it mean when the climate change scientists remain obscure and a kid ends up taking their place as the spokesperson for climate change?


It means it's not a scientific debate anymore. It's a political debate and politicians know it's not their time to lead the fight yet. It's time for people to get their heads out of the sand, grow up fast and take this issue seriously :x.


Oh so it's not scientific anymore, now it's political. It's always been political.

"It's time for people to get their heads out of the sand, grow up fast and take this issue seriously :x"

Translation: vote left wing.


Or moderates and conservatives can also take the issue seriously, and begin to take action. There's no law of physics that says only the left-wing can take action.


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15 Dec 2019, 10:15 am

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The following page lists the nearly 200 worldwide scientific organizations that hold the position that climate change has been caused by human action.

http://www.opr.ca.gov/facts/list-of-scientific-organizations.html

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American Academy of Pediatrics
American Anthropological Association
American Association for the Advancement of Science
American Association of State Climatologists (AASC)
American Association of Wildlife Veterinarians
American Astronomical Society
American Chemical Society
American College of Preventive Medicine
American Fisheries Society
American Geophysical Union
American Institute of Biological Sciences
American Institute of Physics
American Meteorological Society
American Physical Society
American Public Health Association
American Quaternary Association
American Society for Microbiology
American Society of Agronomy
American Society of Civil Engineers
American Society of Plant Biologists
American Statistical Association



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15 Dec 2019, 10:49 am

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What's it mean when the climate change scientists remain obscure and a kid ends up taking their place as the spokesperson for climate change? Maybe Brian Cox should have an out of school 16 year old talk about physics for him.


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"What I think about climate change actually is it’s obviously true and clearly true to all of us who look at the debate that goes on.”



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15 Dec 2019, 12:00 pm

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This won't make a blind bit of difference.


https://climate.nasa.gov/faq/17/do-scientists-agree-on-climate-change/



Quote:
NASA
Global Climate Change
Vital Signs of the Planet

Do scientists agree on climate change?
Yes, the vast majority of actively publishing climate scientists – 97 percent – agree that humans are causing global warming and climate change. Most of the leading science organizations around the world have issued public statements expressing this, including international and U.S. science academies, the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and a whole host of reputable scientific bodies around the world. A list of these organizations is provided here.

Scientific consensus: Earth's climate is warming​
“The scientific consensus on climate change,” N. Oreskes, Science, Vol. 306 no. 5702, p. 1686, doi: 10.1126/science.1103618 (2004).
“Quantifying the consensus on anthropogenic global warming in the scientific literature,” J. Cook et al., Environ. Res. Lett., 8 024024, doi:10.1088/1748-9326/8/2/024024 (2013).
ADDITIONAL CITATIONS

"Consensus on consensus: a synthesis of consensus estimates on human-caused global warming Environ," J. Cook et al., Res. Lett. 11 (2016) 048002, pp 1–7, doi:10.1088/1748-9326/11/4/048002 (2016).

"Examining the Scientific Consensus on Climate Change," P. Doran et al., EOS, Vol. 90, Issue 3, Pages 22–23, doi: 10.1029/2009EO030002 (2009).

"Expert credibility in climate change," W. Anderegg et al., PNAS, Vol. 107 no. 27, 12107–12109, doi: 10.1073/pnas.1003187107 (2010).

"Meteorologists' Views About Global Warming: A Survey of American Meteorological Society Professional Members," N. Stenhouse et al., Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society, Volume 95 No. 7, pp 1029–1040, doi: 10.1175/ BAMS-D-13-00091.1 (2014).

"Scientists’ Views about Attribution of Global Warming," B. Verheggen et al., Environ. Sci. Technol., 48 (16), pp 8963–8971, doi: 10.1021/es501998e (2014).

"The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists," J.S. Carlton et al., Environ. Res. Lett. 10 (2015) 094025, pp 1–12, doi:10.1088/1748-9326/10/9/094025 (2015).
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Site Editor: Holly Shaftel
Managing Editor: Randal Jackson
Science Editor: Susan Callery
Site last updated: December 13, 2019


"Do scientists agree on climate change?
Yes, the vast majority of actively publishing climate scientists – 97 percent – agree that humans are causing global warming and climate change."


That's like saying 97% of publishing paranormal researchers agree that paranormal phenomenons occur. Or 97% of Christians believe in Christ. And so on.



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15 Dec 2019, 12:09 pm

domineekee wrote:
EzraS wrote:

What's it mean when the climate change scientists remain obscure and a kid ends up taking their place as the spokesperson for climate change? Maybe Brian Cox should have an out of school 16 year old talk about physics for him.


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"What I think about climate change actually is it’s obviously true and clearly true to all of us who look at the debate that goes on.”


If he said the opposite, they would say that he's not in the right field of science to qualify as any kind of expert in climate change.

And if he, or another well known scientist, was at the forefront and had been the one to address the UN, then probably more people would take it seriously. Guess he and the other well known scientists don't want to stick their neck out that far.



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15 Dec 2019, 12:16 pm

beneficii wrote:
EzraS wrote:
CarlM wrote:
EzraS wrote:
What's it mean when the climate change scientists remain obscure and a kid ends up taking their place as the spokesperson for climate change?


It means it's not a scientific debate anymore. It's a political debate and politicians know it's not their time to lead the fight yet. It's time for people to get their heads out of the sand, grow up fast and take this issue seriously :x.


Oh so it's not scientific anymore, now it's political. It's always been political.

"It's time for people to get their heads out of the sand, grow up fast and take this issue seriously :x"

Translation: vote left wing.


Or moderates and conservatives can also take the issue seriously, and begin to take action. There's no law of physics that says only the left-wing can take action.


No, just a lot of the left-wing saying that only the left will fix it.



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15 Dec 2019, 1:03 pm

EzraS wrote:
domineekee wrote:
EzraS wrote:

What's it mean when the climate change scientists remain obscure and a kid ends up taking their place as the spokesperson for climate change? Maybe Brian Cox should have an out of school 16 year old talk about physics for him.


Brian Cox

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"What I think about climate change actually is it’s obviously true and clearly true to all of us who look at the debate that goes on.”


If he said the opposite, they would say that he's not in the right field of science to qualify as any kind of expert in climate change.

And if he, or another well known scientist, was at the forefront and had been the one to address the UN, then probably more people would take it seriously. Guess he and the other well known scientists don't want to stick their neck out that far.

Ezra, as far as sticking his neck out he's already clashed with the australin prime minister.

Did you read the Nasa report? You're siding with 3% of published scientists and asking why we listen to a child instead? Its because there already IS an overwhelming consensus of 97% who back her claims.

Once Trump is out the picture you guys are going to sound like flat earthers!

People are quite entitled to have their in joke and mock Greta relentlessly, she's a convenient target, easier to dismiss than the experts I'm sure. :P



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15 Dec 2019, 4:28 pm

domineekee wrote:
EzraS wrote:
domineekee wrote:
EzraS wrote:

What's it mean when the climate change scientists remain obscure and a kid ends up taking their place as the spokesperson for climate change? Maybe Brian Cox should have an out of school 16 year old talk about physics for him.


Brian Cox

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"What I think about climate change actually is it’s obviously true and clearly true to all of us who look at the debate that goes on.”


If he said the opposite, they would say that he's not in the right field of science to qualify as any kind of expert in climate change.

And if he, or another well known scientist, was at the forefront and had been the one to address the UN, then probably more people would take it seriously. Guess he and the other well known scientists don't want to stick their neck out that far.

Ezra, as far as sticking his neck out he's already clashed with the australin prime minister.

Did you read the Nasa report? You're siding with 3% of published scientists and asking why we listen to a child instead? Its because there already IS an overwhelming consensus of 97% who back her claims.

Once Trump is out the picture you guys are going to sound like flat earthers!

People are quite entitled to have their in joke and mock Greta relentlessly, she's a convenient target, easier to dismiss than the experts I'm sure. :P


That's 3% vs 97% of climate change scientists and I'm asking why they are so obscure and are pushing a little girl forward to represent them.

This situation existed way before Trump. What is it with the nothing existed before Trump bubble so many seem to be in? There was a 13 year old girl who addressed the UN with basically the same massage back in 1992. But apparently she didn't get as much publicity and there wasn't today's internet for her to go viral on.

Of course Greta is easier to dismiss than the experts, whoever they are. That's why it's so strange that she is at the forefront of all this. Maybe if just a couple of climate change scientists had at least stood alongside her. But no, they remain obscure. That's because as someone just pointed out in this thread, it's not about science, it's about politics. And has religious overtones such as believer and denier and a child shall lead them.



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15 Dec 2019, 6:14 pm

I give up. To me the argument sounds like...

There's a special tiny branch of "science change" scientist that are being cruelly ignored by the "climate scientists" who are basically incompetent. (all of them). They've elected Greta Thunberg to emotionally blackmail any dissenters because they (not the petrochemical industry) are greedy and corrupt. They have plucked this child out of obscurity and shot her to fame in order to guilt trip us, raise taxes and sell us solar panels.

And then I read stuff like this and find it much harder to justify standing around guffawing.

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Scientists publishing relevant research in a peer-reviewed journal don’t waste precious space stating a position on topics that have been settled.


https://thebulletin.org/2019/08/millions-of-times-later-97-percent-climate-consensus-still-faces-denial/



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15 Dec 2019, 7:21 pm

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You know something? for a website that is supposed to be supportive of people with Aspergers, there sure are a lot of people on Wrong Planet who like to talk trash about Greta and defend Trump's trashing her. What exactly has she done that is deserving of scorn other than standing up for what she believes is right?

Seriously, I'm getting really disgusted with Wrong Planet on this. You guys suck.


Notice where the bashing is coming from. She's said facts that aren't politically correct in certain circles, and now the denizens of those circles feel the need to engage in their two-minute hate against her.


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15 Dec 2019, 7:42 pm

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cyberdad resorts to a lot of improvising.


Improvising is one thing... deliberate dishonesty and ad hominem attacks for the purpose of promoting a political agenda is an entirely different animal.

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Unless I took your statement too literally and that's what you meant by 'improvising'?


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TheRevengeofTW1ZTY wrote:
You know something? for a website that is supposed to be supportive of people with Aspergers, there sure are a lot of people on Wrong Planet who like to talk trash about Greta and defend Trump's trashing her. What exactly has she done that is deserving of scorn other than standing up for what she believes is right?


This has occurred to me also. Forget climate change. Forget who may or may not be supporting her. What she has accomplished, as a person with autism - like the rest of us here - is amazing. I think it was Aspartofme said, for a person with autism to be selected as Time's Person of the Year is outstanding.


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15 Dec 2019, 11:03 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
TheRevengeofTW1ZTY wrote:
You know something? for a website that is supposed to be supportive of people with Aspergers, there sure are a lot of people on Wrong Planet who like to talk trash about Greta and defend Trump's trashing her. What exactly has she done that is deserving of scorn other than standing up for what she believes is right?

Seriously, I'm getting really disgusted with Wrong Planet on this. You guys suck.


Notice where the bashing is coming from. She's said facts that aren't politically correct in certain circles, and now the denizens of those circles feel the need to engage in their two-minute hate against her.


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TheRevengeofTW1ZTY wrote:
You know something? for a website that is supposed to be supportive of people with Aspergers, there sure are a lot of people on Wrong Planet who like to talk trash about Greta and defend Trump's trashing her. What exactly has she done that is deserving of scorn other than standing up for what she believes is right?


This has occurred to me also. Forget climate change. Forget who may or may not be supporting her. What she has accomplished, as a person with autism - like the rest of us here - is amazing. I think it was Aspartofme said, for a person with autism to be selected as Time's Person of the Year is outstanding.


If Greta had been saying things the left didn't agree with, they would be all over her. I'm basing that on my experience as a teenager with autism, who has held positions that are not popular with the left, and got trashed and bullied a lot because of it. If it was me up there on the stage instead of Greta, I am pretty sure I would receive a lot of negativity from many who are upset over the negativity Greta has received. And I would expect Time magazine to put me on their cover in a most unflattering way.