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15 Nov 2021, 11:49 pm

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Contrast the way 17 yr old Rittenhouse was treated by Kenosha police while walking with a loaded weapon in a riot with 16 year old Ma'Khia Bryant
https://www.npr.org/2021/04/20/98934278 ... -family-sa


Once again, that is not relevant to this situation.
Why are you making this a race "thing"?

Were any of the attackers of Rittenhouse POC?
I don't think they were.

Were any police involved in the shooting?
They weren't.

Why the tangent? :scratch:
You aren't autistic. :mrgreen:



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15 Nov 2021, 11:54 pm

Not so much about race, just inconsistency with the way police handle situations. Armed people should never have been allowed after curfew (not just Rittenhouse) and allowed to wander around by the Kenosha Police.



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15 Nov 2021, 11:58 pm

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Not so much about race, just inconsistency with the way police handle situations. Armed people should never have been allowed after curfew (not just Rittenhouse) and allowed to wander around by the Kenosha Police.


It *is* odd.
But then, America is a very odd place to us Aussies. 8O



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16 Nov 2021, 12:57 am

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16 Nov 2021, 2:47 am

The prosecutor argued these pictures show heros who are trying to stop an active shooter who just murdered Rosenbaum.


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16 Nov 2021, 3:20 am

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The prosecutor argued these pictures show heros who are trying to stop an active shooter who just murdered Rosenbaum.


I actually think that's the other missing part of the narrative the right are trying to hog. Most of the those who tackled Rittenhouse legit thought they were trying to disarm an active shooter. Certainly was the case for Huber and Grosskreutz at least.



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16 Nov 2021, 3:28 am

Why did they think Kyle was an active shooter? Just because he had a carbine only?



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16 Nov 2021, 3:35 am

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Ughh, I'm nervous because a jury is involved, but it really seems as if the prosecution's case is non-existent with the possession charge dropped, as you now have someone with a legal weapon where they're legally allowed to be (notwithstanding the wisdom of being there), defending himself from 3 aggressors while attempting to flee at every point.

Any case involving a jury has risks, but I agree that the prosecution's case doesn't appear strong at all.

I have found this case to be interesting, not just from the legal standpoint, but also the insights it has provided into people's personalities along with their thought processes and capacity to filter irrelevencies from important\relevent information...



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16 Nov 2021, 3:45 am

What I want to know is why did the prosecution even have this weapon's charge, if they knew no crime was committed there. Either the prosecution is really stupid, or they know no law was broken there, and they were hoping the defense and the judge would be stupid, and not notice this?

Another thing I don't understand is, people online were calling Rittenhouse a racist but I don't understand why. How was he racist?



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16 Nov 2021, 4:32 am

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Another thing I don't understand is, people online were calling Rittenhouse a racist but I don't understand why. How was he racist?


Huh? who called him a racist? He hung out with the Proud boys once but that's about it.



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16 Nov 2021, 4:35 am

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Another thing I don't understand is, people online were calling Rittenhouse a racist but I don't understand why. How was he racist?


Huh? who called him a racist? He hung out with the Proud boys once but that's about it.


Well I remember the white house called him a white supremist way back and people starting running with that. Or like this article here for example:

https://medium.com/age-of-awareness/kyl ... 0e8bbb3b6b

He shot three white people. Hardly sounds like white supremacy to me if a white guys shoots three fellow white people.



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16 Nov 2021, 5:00 am

Rittenhouse captured yawning, bored at the proceedings. Not really all that emotional after all his crying

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The defense smirking, after all the vigilante killing is funny even if its disrespectful to the families of the victims



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16 Nov 2021, 5:01 am

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cyberdad wrote:
ironpony wrote:
Another thing I don't understand is, people online were calling Rittenhouse a racist but I don't understand why. How was he racist?


Huh? who called him a racist? He hung out with the Proud boys once but that's about it.


Well I remember the white house called him a white supremist way back and people starting running with that. Or like this article here for example:

https://medium.com/age-of-awareness/kyl ... 0e8bbb3b6b

He shot three white people. Hardly sounds like white supremacy to me if a white guys shoots three fellow white people.


Sorry buddy, you seem to be the only one going down that rabbit hole



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16 Nov 2021, 5:05 am

ironpony wrote:
What I want to know is why did the prosecution even have this weapon's charge, if they knew no crime was committed there. Either the prosecution is really stupid, or they know no law was broken there, and they were hoping the defense and the judge would be stupid, and not notice this?


The reasons would likely be one of:
They read the title of the statute, and based the decision to charge solely on this.
They read the specific statute, but ignored the exclusions section.
They read the specific statute, but made assumptions around the exclusions.
They read the specific statute, but were unable to understand the exclusions.

To be fair, the charges (and probable cause) would have possibly been needed prior to their having access to the rifle to measure it (or even before interviewing him), so would have been based upon the information they had (or believed) at that time - although they should have been revisited as additional information came to light (such as rifle and barrel lengths).

ironpony wrote:
Another thing I don't understand is, people online were calling Rittenhouse a racist but I don't understand why. How was he racist?

The protest was BLM (at least in part), but he wasn't there as part of the protest (it was interesting to see the video of the protesters at a BLM protest excuse (and try to protect) a fellow protester who was using the "N" word, rather than castigating him for doing so). Looking at social media, there have also been a number of people claiming to have only discovered during the trial that the people who were shot were white, having believed\assumed that they were "black" based upon what they read\saw\heard in the media.

Additionally, there is a portion of the population who try to "disguise" their opinion of him being racist through insinuations - common ones being to claim he was like Mr Sandmann (who they have also accused\made insinuations of being a "racist"), that he is a "white supremecist", that he is a member of a "white supremecist" group\militia, etc.



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16 Nov 2021, 5:07 am

It comes down to the question of "who was the better class of reckless dumb punk?". Rittenhouse, or the two guys who fought with him? Arguably he may have been the lesser of two evils. But still...

Ah...the good ole days. When American hooligans used to be ...strictly apolitical.

But now were getting to be more and more like Germany during the Weimar Republic in the 1920s- with political street fighters.



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16 Nov 2021, 5:15 am

TheRobotLives wrote:
The prosecutor argued these pictures show heros who are trying to stop an active shooter who just murdered Rosenbaum.


Rittenhouse was chased down and being attacked, while he was on the ground, by 3 men.
I can see why the prosecutors came to that conclusion. <irony> 8)

But I am still open-minded.
Those pictures may not be the full story. 8)