Emergence of a Deadly Coronavirus

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It's funny how the prosperous nations have unwaveringly and actively contributed to turning many countries into third world hellholes.

And gotten massive bloodthirsty support or wilful indifference from their people, though the money was snatched from the same people who didn't give a damn what was happening.

Maybe this is what karma means.

The compromise comes with being proactive as Taiwan did.

I will just get all edge lordy and enjoy watching the world go up in flames from trying to save it.

Point out who actually *is* "underreacting here in the forum.

If you are talking about recalcitrant kids in general, I am in total agreement.

Do you equate "over-react" with panic and hysteria?
If not, we may be on the same page.

Where you say one needs to "overreact",
I would say we need to err on the side of caution.

Check out the definition of "overreact":

It's already been up in flames, for a long, long time. The fire is just coming closer to home now.

Christian pastor who thought COVID-19 is just ‘mass hysteria’ is among the first in Virginia to die from virus

Agreed.
Trump is being a politician and using political rhetoric to try and reduce hysteria, imo.

I don't take anything Trump says without a truckload of rock salt,
But I think understand why he does says what he says from time to time, at least.

Reality check.
This is a thread about the coronavirus.
PPR is that-a-way. ------------->

The people who are going to suffer the most are the poor, the struggling working class, the minorities, the immigrants, the refugees etc, not the tyrants.

So what did Taiwan do?

Last edited by EzraS on 26 Mar 2020, 7:07 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Well ... one person's over-reaction is another person's rational thought. Personally, I think that standing in line for 6 hours to buy as many cartons of Ramen noodles as can fit into your car is over-reacting, while doing your regular weekly shopping during the week (instead of Saturday) on a rainy morning to avoid the crowds instead is a more rational way of doing it. Even better, learning to shop on-line is probably even more rational -- you may not get what you want right away, but you should eventually get it.

Had he died of influenza, would we have heard about it?

*THAT'S* the spirit!

Nope. You don't understand the value of time. Read https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be9337092b56.

With this virus, what the lockdown has achieved is we bought time. Rapid testing is a reality. Now we just need to mass produce rapid testing kits. The lockdown also gave us time to discover that hydroxychloroquine plus azythromycin work alright. The lockdown gave us time for the masks and respirators. The lockdown gave us time to move the homeless into proper accomodations. The lockdown taught everyone about social distancing, about how to handle packages, about frequent hand washing, about wearing masks in unventilated areas and in public transportation.

The lockdown gave us time to plan for the re-start of the work force. We can send recovered people back to work. They have the immunity. We can send young people back to work, but with a condition: frequent testing. Younger people of course are careless, but precisely because they are careless, many of them will get infected, and two weeks after their infection, they will contribute to herd immunity.

The early measures in Taiwan gave it time to develop rapid testing kit. In the world there are now several versions of rapid testing kits available. What's going to allow people to go back to work is not a cure, is not a vaccine, but rapid testing. We need time to mass produce rapid testing kits. Now we are pretty sure that in another month, tops 1.5 months, rapid testing kits will be enough to allow some decent size of people to return to work. Now it's about how to time the mass production of rapid testing kits with the number of people returning to work. We need to be smart in re-introducing the work force in phases, so that we have enough test kits to test everyone on a frequent basis.

To say it more simply:
- lockdown = fighting in the dark, you don't know who are at risk --> very wasteful in resources
- rapid testing = targeted fighting, you know precisely who are at risk --> very little waste of resources

But you have to pause to think, what has allowed us to get to the stage of achieving rapid testing? Yep, it's the lockdown. The lockdown bought us time. It's was scientific problem, and it needed a scientific solution. Whenever people are faced with major issues, the first thing is to buy time. With time, you can assemble your team. Once you have a team, you have brains to help you solve problems. Time is essential.

We don't want a repeat of the situation in Italy, where doctors have to decide who live and who die. This virus will be defeated by the people making rapid testing kits.

The problem here is they thought they were doing a compromise, but they were actually doing nothing.
That's what leads to need for drastic action which people then panic about.



There was a university student returning from vacation in Florida (if I remember correctly) who boarded sick, knowing she was sick.

She got tested here and she had it.

I don't understand why the officials could not have forbidden her from boarding and potentially affecting other passengers and the crew.
Even in Pakistan , they are taking your temperature everywhere, not just at the airport, before letting you go in.

But at the same time, something needs to be in place so that
passengers aren't scared to report their symptoms. They need to have a place to stay safely, and access to medical care.

I don't know how that would come to be, but that's likely the reason she didn't report it and probably infected more than a few passengers/crew members.


Also, here the 'screening' is just word of mouth. They just trust you. Like Pepe said, NTs don't mind lying.

Even though I found it very annoying, today the nurse (who is originally from China) aggressively made me and my kids sit and took our temperatures several times, instead of just taking me at my word that I tested and no, we don't have fever.

I found it angering that she thought I was lying, because I was the one who reported symptoms and tried to cancel her shift and all other nurses, when we became ill, that should prove my character to her.

In Taiwan and Singapore, and Wu-han even once matters became serious, there were consequences for lying,
and it was information-based.

To mitigate panic/hysteria/overreactions (as both EzraS and Pepe mentioned) they did this:
Authorities also took a tough stance on misinformation, threatening $130,000 fines for spreading fake news, and interrogating suspects who allegedly started a rumour that increased mask production was creating a toilet-paper shortage.

They stockpiled on hospital necessities in advance, they merged all databases for healthcare instead of the way it is here where everything is segmented and delayed--
they track everyone who is in quarantine or infected, like detectives.

Because of all of that, they contain it, people don't need to change their lives much, and the economy doesn't take as much of a blow.

If someone is going to talk about third world hellholes, I sure as hell am going to react. And it was completely in response to what was said prior as well not just that post - re: economy. In perspective, when economy suffers for legitimate reasons, people act affronted, but when this is going on they don't give a damn, can't have it both ways and not be called out for hypocrisy.

EzraS I linked the article earlier
https://nationalpost.com/health/how-tai ... life-go-on

This is why my nephew was screened. He knew he couldn't fly without a test, for ethical reasons if not the law.

He was positive. Flying or interacting with the public when you are a known risk is very irresponsible. I've read about people being fined or even imprisoned in other countries for endangering others.

-Those immunocompromised people should be given special dispensation and be given special financial support from the government.
-Better they stay home for an "unknown number of months" than the vast majority.
-*I* have disappeared from society and I don't have a problem with that if it preserves my health.
Thing like Skype, etc, *will* become more popular to alleviate loneliness. People don't *really* need to be within breathing distance unless you want to do the nasty.