NOT GOOD, Connecticut shooter was diagnosed with Aspergers..
he had been an honor's student who often carried a briefcase instead of a backpack.
the authorities are saying he had on him a large number of bullets and the arrival of
the early responders prevented a bigger massacre. before he left the house, before
he shot his mother, he dismantled his computer and smashed his hard-drive. if there
was a history of his having taken medications, and any interactions from those medications,
we then are getting to the proverbial "elephant in the room" that is not being said over
the mass media for fear tom cruise would try to travel to the poor town of newtown CT
in a manner like he wanted to up here recently when a 15 year old freshman was stabbed
by a 16 year old sophmore who had been diagnosed with asperger's. the odgren case
almost brought tom cruise to massachusetts in a very public way to decry modern medicine.
After the Virginia Tech Massacre the media was full of speculation that Cho Seung-Hui had autism.
His Aunt in Korea said he had autism...
And his Pastor asked his parents to have him assessed for autism.
But in the end it turned out Cho was diagnosed with Selective Mutism as a child. The official report into the tragedy specifically discussed and discounted the idea Cho was autistic, he was never diagnosed with autism. Similarly to Lanza, the media in 2007 included quotes from experts saying autism is not associated with violence.
The allegations at this point that Lanza had autism are as weak than the claims made about Cho and are probably just as wrong.
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Martin Bryant was diagnosed with AS (Crown psychiatrist; mother reports that he was diagnosed with it too)
Anders was said to have it by a psychiatrist (in addition to a PD, Tourette's, and possible psychosis)
That's two "officially".
Cho showed some autistic symptoms; listening to the same song over and over again (enough to be thought "odd"), social isolation, social deficits and inappropriate social behavior (selective mutism doesn't describe these things)
Jared and the "Joker" have Schizophrenia
Lots of mental illness (especially disorders that affect social ability) among spree killers (not just the usual catch all phrase of anti-social PD); seems to be an overrepresentation. I don't know what it means.
If you meet one person with autism you have met one person with autism. We are not all clones.
You have evidently not been reading what people are posting on many of the articles. "...Keep your evil kids away from ours..." "...I will blow away your precious Aspie..." Granted we are dealing with the internet crowd here but then so are we.
I eat ignorant soccor moms for breakfast...one asked me this morning about the shooting and anxiously followed it with "your daughter has Aspergers doesn't she". I smiled and told her she has autism. She replied "oh I see" and started smiling back in apparent relief. It occured to me she didn't know Aspergers was a form of autism.
As for the rest of the ignorant mob that dwells in cyberspace, do you really (I mean honestly) think their attitudes towards people with autism (whether high functioning or not) will be shaped by one terrible incident? 99.999% of cyber trolls and malicious individuals will never go through with their threats. They are vacuous bags of hot air.
If you meet one person with autism you have met one person with autism. We are not all clones.
Not much of the general public understands the autism spectrum well enough to make that distinction.
The general public in countries like Australia, UK or the USA are by in large good decent folk. Those with average intelligence will take the time to understand a person's diagnosis is not necessarily causation for all their actions. Those who lack the insight or courtesy to make that distinction (as you say) are simply not worthy of consideration. Ignorant people who are too cognitively lazy to check the facts. have a personal problem - that's not our concern. We all have enough on our plate to worry about what every second person might or might not really think of a now defunct diagnosis (Aspergers).
It's more insidious that what people think about a diagnosis - whatever Lanza had on the long run. It's what ideas people have when they witness the kind of comportment that Lanza seems to have had his whole life. Knowing that the person has a syndrome or whatever is secondary to that.
Let's quote this tweet from someone who had been a comrade of the killer :
As far as we know, before he became a mass murderer, this person had not done harm to comrades. But he was the "weird kid". The way that the students describe him is interesting. You can see that this one infers from his comportment the potentiality of the disaster. The reasons he gives are not very reasonable for making this assumption. Of course, we don't know Adam Lanza like these persons do. But... I would understand if we knew that the boy had already harmed, menaced his peers, or whatever. But it seems that this comrade draws his conclusions from "symptoms" that are different of that. It's strange : you have articles entitled "a deeply disturbed kid" that depict symptoms that are quite usual and benign for those who know autism or personality "disorders". The "I can't say I am surprised" shows that the anxiety people who could be described more or less like the pre-killings Adam Lanza can have about their perception by society is somewhat legitimate.
It would be interesting to have more detailed testimonies about what people thought of him before. When I read some of these, I infer that the boy was "fidgety" because he was quiet and because of his social "weirdness" (from a normal guy's point of view) and maybe because of his high intelligence, and I can't but tell myself that people could see me the same way, depending of my state (in my social mode, for example, when because I'm tired/anxious or whatever my "symptoms" are more apparent - in my "I'm in my family or alone at home mode", one would deem me crazy, but in an altogether sense - because I'm happy, I sing alone, I can be myself...). People remain quite (or very) prejudiced against mental differences and "oddities", and sadly, this kind of tragic events reinforces them in their views.
I looked at pictures of Adam Lanza on Google images so before people want to say his mother failed to get him help, based on media reports which could be false, or their own false assumptions about his family, I ask, did they really fail to? If you look at the latest pics of him and compare them to the ones taken while he was still attending school, it looks like someone did get some help. His affect is much better in later pictures.
Maybe the family did a lot more than people know.
When Lanza's parents divorced in 2009, the settlement left his mother with a comfortable income and the comfort of knowing that the then-17-year-old boy would have his education paid for and his medical insurance covered.[...]
During their meetings, the couple mentioned that Adam Lanza had been diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome, an autism-like disorder, Levy said. But the Lanzas were in complete agreement on how to address Adam's needs and said little about the details of his condition, Levy said.[...]
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Asperger’s can’t explain what happened in Newtown school shooting, experts say
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It's more insidious that what people think about a diagnosis - whatever Lanza had on the long run. It's what ideas people have when they witness the kind of comportment that Lanza seems to have had his whole life. Knowing that the person has a syndrome or whatever is secondary to that.
Let's quote this tweet from someone who had been a comrade of the killer :
As far as we know, before he became a mass murderer, this person had not done harm to comrades. But he was the "weird kid". The way that the students describe him is interesting. You can see that this one infers from his comportment the potentiality of the disaster. The reasons he gives are not very reasonable for making this assumption. Of course, we don't know Adam Lanza like these persons do. But... I would understand if we knew that the boy had already harmed, menaced his peers, or whatever. But it seems that this comrade draws his conclusions from "symptoms" that are different of that. It's strange : you have articles entitled "a deeply disturbed kid" that depict symptoms that are quite usual and benign for those who know autism or personality "disorders". The "I can't say I am surprised" shows that the anxiety people who could be described more or less like the pre-killings Adam Lanza can have about their perception by society is somewhat legitimate.
It would be interesting to have more detailed testimonies about what people thought of him before. When I read some of these, I infer that the boy was "fidgety" because he was quiet and because of his social "weirdness" (from a normal guy's point of view) and maybe because of his high intelligence, and I can't but tell myself that people could see me the same way, depending of my state (in my social mode, for example, when because I'm tired/anxious or whatever my "symptoms" are more apparent - in my "I'm in my family or alone at home mode", one would deem me crazy, but in an altogether sense - because I'm happy, I sing alone, I can be myself...). People remain quite (or very) prejudiced against mental differences and "oddities", and sadly, this kind of tragic events reinforces them in their views.
Yes; this is what frightens me deeply. Though the worst-case scenario would be some kind of organized backlash-- rounding us all up and locking us away, forcing us to accept antipsychotic treatment regardless of history-- those things are unlikely.
Shunning, fearing, ostracizing-- even lynching-- someone who fits the profile?? Outbreaks of violence against "the wierd kid" regardless of what that person has or has not done, simply out of fear?? Authorities tacitly sanctioning that kind of behavior??
Those were day to day facts of life when I was a child-- and will be again. I won't go so far as to say I ever feared lynching...
...but there were times that I feared to walk down a public street alone, as I knew that plenty of kids would happily throw rocks and whatever else they could get their hands on and that any adult who happened to witness the incident would quietly turn a blind eye unless I attempted to defend myself in any way.
I spent a lot of time in the woods, a lot of time alone in my room. I was fearful and good at making myself small. I learned not to speak, even if I had something to say, because to draw attention to myself was to risk a beating. I would suggest the same skills be taught to any spectrum child now. I was, later, very angry for the life I lived because I came to believe that I could have had something else-- and I would suggest that all spectrum children be taught not to resent the way they must live, but to act normal when out in public and to revel in solitude the rest of the time.
That's what we did before, back in Dr Grandin's day. Aspies from her generation fared better; there was a reason why. They blamed only themselves for their difficulties and learned to enjoy solitude, to enjoy what they had rather than to long for what they did not. They learned to conform well on the surface, to be happy to be able to do so, and to be happy to have the privilege of taking the mask off when alone.
And not to resent what they could not have.
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It's because of the fear that people in the public would associate AS with shooters or violence in general. Several articles state that the last shooter had been diagnosed with AS. Nonetheless, I would not say that AS is the cause for such behavior.
This kind of things happen through a package full of complexities and many causes. Most shooters if not all had some kind of mental illness. If he had AS it's not unlikely he would have developed something else. Again, that's just one part of the whole puzzle and not an easy equation.
This is a blog that offers plenty of information on school shooters: schoolshooters
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Blah, doesn't bother me at all. Lanza, Cho, Harris, Hitler, Bin Laden, Jafar and Hans Gruber all had dark hair yet nobody would suggest that's a contributing factor. I think comorbid conditions like depression and sociopathic disorders are far more likely to account for their actions. I don't believe in 'evil' as an abstract, everything has a cause somewhere in your mental profile.
So let's take Lanza for example. What we know about him is that he possibly had Asperger's, was smart but had few friends, his upper middle-class parents divorced a few years ago which was a messy ordeal for the whole family. He had been brought up around guns so had easy access to them, and his mother often took him to a shooting range so he was confident about using them. He was home-schooled for the later years of his education.
It's likely that Lanza had to be home schooled because of bullying. I think a lot of us know how hard it was to have a quiet life as the 'shy geek' back in school. From the photos he looks quite underweight suggesting he may have had an eating disorder. I'd deduce that Lanza was suffering from a major form of depression or anxiety because of all the stressful factors in his life; dealing with AS (and his fear of social interaction from being bullied), a huge shakeup in family life from the divorce (for AS sufferers, change like this can be devastating) and maybe other factors.
Now lets make a link between Lanza, Cho and Harris/Klebold. Cho, a selective-mutist, was diagnosed with flat affect and depressed mood. The Columbine shooters were well known to have suffered bullying at school, thanks to diaries and letters found afterwards. Depression and anxiety are often triggers in certain people for other comorbid disorders - manic depression, depersonalization, psychosis and antisocial disorders. Individuals suffering from psychosis are victims of delusional beliefs. People with antisocial or dissociative disorders may see little reason not to carry out such an attack - "people kill other people in war all the time and that's 'okay'" - or a detachment from the reality of what they are doing. Also, most shooters end up killing themselves.
My point is, it doesn't matter whether you have AS, one leg, brown hair, are butt-ugly or anything. Sometimes people get so stressed out they're pushed over the edge into the worst kind of mental states. Maybe if you have AS or anxiety disorders then the threshold is lower of what you can take. While I am in no way trying to excuse the tragedy of killing little children, I think Lanza's life was a tragedy. If he had the help he needed then maybe this whole thing could have been avoided. Amanda Todd is glorified as a beacon by anti-bullying groups and the media yet Adam Lanza is remembered as an evil maniac, just because her mental state only caused her own suicide; what if she had gone 'over the edge' and killed a bunch of people?
Makes me think..
Please do. My adadotal sp? fact is that my husbands 2-3 rd month of being on respidone has been a long slide into very serious (at times) violence. Yesterday he cracked his head on the wall so badly he has had a worring headache today. the bathroom door he cracked wks ago with a head butt looks at me each time I enter.
Self violence but also talk of car crashing etc. Mild quiet well liked timid fellow who suffers deep embarssement following.
The explosions fulled by paranoia against me come and go. But he is terrified of his now almost constant black mindedness and out loud mutterings.
We are both scard and fighting the system for a medication review. Getting told it is best to wait 6 months before any changes. New appointment battle tomarrow. me in tow and advocating big time or else!
Anyway from here without many other variables I SEE violence and am living it due to the theraputic trial from hell.
Let us know what you find out!
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Quick research implies it is very possible: Link to Wikipedia overview of risperidone http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risperidone
You are going to need more than that to get through to a doctor though.
If they will not listen to self-reporting of more aggression, more problems-- or to fears of some of the more disabling side effects (I know they did not seem to care that I was becoming very confused, unable to think well enough to keep house, in such pain that I had difficulty moving around a one-room apartment)-- they are not going to listen no matter what you present.
Then you have a choice. Do you wish to sacrifice yourselves in exchange for being treated as "good n****rs," or are you willing to risk reprisals to look for a practitioner who will treat you as human beings despite the unfortunate fact of your diagnoses??
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Shunning, fearing, ostracizing-- even lynching-- someone who fits the profile?? Outbreaks of violence against "the wierd kid" regardless of what that person has or has not done, simply out of fear?? Authorities tacitly sanctioning that kind of behavior??
Those were day to day facts of life when I was a child-- and will be again. I won't go so far as to say I ever feared lynching...
...but there were times that I feared to walk down a public street alone, as I knew that plenty of kids would happily throw rocks and whatever else they could get their hands on and that any adult who happened to witness the incident would quietly turn a blind eye unless I attempted to defend myself in any way.
I spent a lot of time in the woods, a lot of time alone in my room. I was fearful and good at making myself small. I learned not to speak, even if I had something to say, because to draw attention to myself was to risk a beating. I would suggest the same skills be taught to any spectrum child now. I was, later, very angry for the life I lived because I came to believe that I could have had something else-- and I would suggest that all spectrum children be taught not to resent the way they must live, but to act normal when out in public and to revel in solitude the rest of the time.
That's what we did before, back in Dr Grandin's day. Aspies from her generation fared better; there was a reason why. They blamed only themselves for their difficulties and learned to enjoy solitude, to enjoy what they had rather than to long for what they did not. They learned to conform well on the surface, to be happy to be able to do so, and to be happy to have the privilege of taking the mask off when alone.
And not to resent what they could not have.
Uhh I think not....I spent lots of time blaming myself and that just helped me become suicidal. Also I cannot act normal in public, even if I do try to act 'normal' it doesn't work. But yeah I don't think forcing oneself to act normal in public and spending all the rest of the time in solitude with a big smile on their face magically feeling no resentment, dissapointment or sadness about living that way would be healthy. Solitude is nice but yeah too much of that tends to drive me a little crazy.
But most importantly I don't see how someone blaming themselves for difficulties that come from a disorder they have would be helpful...that can lead to thinking you're just a worthless f*** up at least in my experiance, but to each their own I suppose.
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While I agree with many of your sentiments. I think any individual who conclude their views by a lone representative of the entire Autism/Asperger community is not a person we should look to appease any way - we do not want to be aligned with such a judgmental bigot. But yes, this is a very delicate and tense time for the AS community.
Another ignorant, uneducated statement made by your typical suburban American bimbo soccer mom.
"They say this Asperger's disfunction causes "lack of empathy", and its genetic, .... someone should run some test on the Dad."
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What is that? It would be laughable if she wasn't serious.
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