Baltimore: ALL Confederate Statues Have Now Been Removed

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Unless it can be stopped it won't stop. Graves are going to be targeted soon I think. That will really piss people off. Then as you said commemorations of "liberals" like Martian Luther King will be targeted in retaliation. It is tough to stop, it is impossible to guard 24/7 every commemoration that offends someone. This is potentially a very dangerous situation.

Unless it can be stopped it won't stop. Graves are going to be targeted soon I think. That will really piss people off. Then as you said commemorations of "liberals" like Martian Luther King will be targeted in retaliation. It is tough to stop, it is impossible to guard 24/7 every commemoration that offends someone. This is potentially a very dangerous situation.

New York, a Northern stronghold of Unionists and abolitionists, has few Confederate memorials. Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo wants there to be even fewer. On Wednesday, he asked the acting secretary of the Army to change the names of two streets at the Fort Hamilton Army base in Brooklyn that are named after Southern generals.

Mr. Cuomo’s request to the Army also came on the same day that a Brooklyn church removed two plaques that honored Gen. Robert E. Lee from a churchyard tree.

In Brooklyn, the plaques had become an “offense to the community” and an emblem of ideas that are “antithetical to the Gospel,” said the Rev. Lawrence C. Provenzano, the bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Long Island, which includes Nassau, Suffolk, Brooklyn and Queens counties.

The Brooklyn plaques were attached to a tree outside St. John’s Episcopal Church in the Fort Hamilton section of Bay Ridge. Lee had served on the vestry of the church in the 1840s, when he was an Army engineer stationed at Fort Hamilton base. In 1912, the New York chapter of the United Daughters of the Confederacy affixed the larger of the two plaques to a tree, which according to the plaque, Lee himself planted. (The original tree died and a different tree is there.)

The plaques had gone largely unnoticed for decades

What's the problem with Francis Scott Key, anyway?

That is ridiculous.....

Slavery and American Colonization Society
Key purchased his first slave in 1800 or 1801 and owned six slaves in 1820. Mostly in the 1830s, Key manumitted (set free) seven slaves, one of whom (Clem Johnson) continued to work for him for wages as his farm's foreman, supervising several slaves.

Throughout his career Key also represented several slaves seeking their freedom in court (for free), as well as several masters seeking return of their runaway slaves. Key, Judge William Leigh of Halifax, and bishop William Meade were administrators of the will of their friend John Randolph of Roanoke, who died without children and left a will directing his executors to free his more than four hundred slaves. Over the next decade, beginning in 1833, the administrators fought to enforce the will and provide the freed slaves land to support themselves.

Key publicly criticized slavery's cruelties, so much that after his death a newspaper editorial stated "So actively hostile was he to the peculiar institution that he was called 'The n****r Lawyer' .... because he often volunteered to defend the downtrodden sons and daughters of Africa. Mr. Key convinced me that slavery was wrong—radically wrong." In June 1842, Key attended the funeral of William Costin, a free, mixed race resident who had challenged Washington's surety bond laws.

Key was a founding member and active leader of the American Colonization Society and its predecessor, the influential Maryland branch, the primary goal of which was to send free African-Americans back to Africa. However, he was removed from the board in 1833 as its policies shifted toward abolitionist.

Anti-abolitionist
A slave-owner himself, Key used his position as U.S. Attorney to suppress abolitionists. In 1833, he secured a grand jury indictment against Benjamin Lundy, editor of the anti-slavery publication, the Genius of Universal Emancipation, and his printer, William Greer, for libel after Lundy published an article that declared, "There is neither mercy nor justice for colored people in this district [of Columbia]". Lundy's article, Key said in the indictment, "was intended to injure, oppress, aggrieve, and vilify the good name, fame, credit & reputation of the Magistrates and constables" of Washington. Lundy left town rather than face trial; Greer was acquitted.

In August 1836, Key agreed to prosecute botanist and doctor Reuben Crandall, brother of controversial Connecticut school teacher Prudence Crandall, who had recently moved to the national capital. Key secured an indictment for "seditious libel" after two marshals (who operated as slave catchers in their off hours) found Crandall had a trunk full of anti-slavery publications in his Georgetown residence, five days after the Snow Riot, caused by rumors that a mentally ill slave had attempted to kill an elderly white woman. In an April 1837 trial that attracted nationwide attention, Key charged that Crandall's actions instigated slaves to rebel. Crandall's attorneys acknowledged he opposed slavery, but denied any intent or actions to encourage rebellion. Key, in his final address to the jury said:

"Are you willing, gentlemen, to abandon your country, to permit it to be taken from you, and occupied by the abolitionist, according to whose taste it is to associate and amalgamate with the negro? Or, gentlemen, on the other hand, are there laws in this community to defend you from the immediate abolitionist, who would open upon you the floodgates of such extensive wickedness and mischief?"

A jury acquitted Crandall.

This defeat, as well as family tragedies in 1835, diminished Key's political ambition. He resigned as district attorney in 1840. He remained a staunch proponent of African colonization and a strong critic of the antislavery movement until his death.

The issue I have with people attacking pre-civil war statues is that there were white indentured servants at that time.It was not just black people.But,I think at one time ALL slaves were freed after seven years.It was a Biblical thing,the Jubalation year.Not completely sure about that,too lazy too look it up.lol
My first white ancestor in America was Dorcas Buckminster(Buckmaster) and she was indentured.She resided in Muddy River,Boston.Its now Brookline.Funny,never thought I had Yankee blood.lollol

My first white ancestor in America was Dorcas Buckminster(Buckmaster) and she was indentured.She resided in Muddy River,Boston.Its now Brookline.Funny,never thought I had Yankee blood.lollol

And that's another thing I've never liked about the confederacy, at the time the south had three demographics, the wealthy aristocratic slave/land owning class, the slaves, and then the poor whites the aristocratic class used for their own devices. Truth be told the vast majority of actual confederate soldiers were not slave owners, they were barely better off than the slaves, hence the reason identity politics really aren't the central problem with the confederacy in my opinion, their refusal to follow the rule of law has always been the issue.

I always knew you were a good Puritan.

LOL I was shocked,a whole NEST of puritans. One with the name Experience Charity.LOL Clement Corbin is my ancient GF.We were all over New England,then took a beeline for the Ohio Valley and further south.The cold isn't good for our kind.lol
The other side landed in Pennsylvannia and Virginia.Some of the other relations were waiting there to greet them on arrival,much to the demise of their culture.So much for Welcome Wagon.
You might be a distant cousin.

Probably so, perhaps several times over. I've read estimates that perhaps 50-100 million people are descended through at least one line from the original ~20,000 Puritans who settled in New England from 1620-1642.

I've never seen a group get so attached to PARTICIPATION TROPHIES.

And I've never seen a group so butthurt over losing an election that they'd go after statues.