16yo Thunberg: She’s the MVP Aspie of the world! IMO

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I don't doubt that if she was well-known for being outspoken on an issue that's generally viewed as aligned with the right that she'd be taking a degree of flak from lefties who disagree with her, some of whom are also autistic. If it were you instead of her, the same would be true. Either way, some of the flak would be insults and some would be legitimate criticism, although the exact mixture would likely vary. Most of the backlash against her really isn't bullying though, just when it comes from people with substantial public profiles like the president of the United States of America.

That said, unless the issue you were outspoken on was as significant as climate change it's unlikely you'd be on the cover of Time as PotY. If Time felt it suitable to honour you in that way, they'd choose a relatively flattering picture just like they have with every other winner, even Hitler.



I'd call that relatively flattering, although ymmv.

I'm talking about my views regarding climate change. I just meant on the cover of any Time magazine issue. I've seen how they depict people they and the left don't like.

Well, if your views on climate change are at odds with the scientific community you're unlikely to be given a platform outside of the denial circuit. Their unwillingness to grant those views a platform doesn't mean they dislike those who espouse them, but why would they give attention to views that aren't actually considered credible? I'll admit, I'm not deeply familiar with your views on the topic though, if you're not aligned with those folks then it's unfair for me to lump you in with them, but as a hypothetical, if ones espouses an opinion on a scientific matter that's radically out of step with what the majority of scientists believe, one will have quite the uphill battle to get a platform to voice that opinion.

Also, you hurt your credibility if you're trying to suggest that Time is part of 'the left' though. Like most media outlets they're part of the centrist establishment. They're only 'the left' relative to right wing propaganda mills.

My point is that a lot of the same people bemoaning the criticism of Greta Thunberg, would be leveling harsh criticism at her if she had taken up a position they don't like and or agree with.

Not quite...the consensus is among climate scientists who are all able to understanding the science of atmospheric modelling. This is credible. Christ, aliens and ghosts are less credible.

I'm more than happy for you to exert your freedom to have fake outrage....but beyond the mundane political landscape there were questions I posed that relate to the topic which you studiously avoided to address on the basis I have expanded the scope of your fixation over the number 11,000.

In the hypothetical situation that you started massive walkouts and marches that disagreed with the man made CO2 causing the end of the would as we know it consensus, met with celebrities and world leaders and sparked and altered the debate on the issue and was not person of the year then you would have a good bias argument.

My hypothetical situation is simply that if Greta had been saying things that did not resonate with the left, they would be harshly criticizing her. They would be doing exactly what they are expressing the usual pious outrage over.

As for person of the year, that's according to a magazine. Which for some reason is supposed to be a huge deal. I suppose they have good marketing which gives people the impression that Time is the paragon of news magazines, and being their person of the year is some ultra high honor along the lines of winning the Nobel or Pulitzer.

Assessing ExxonMobil's climate change communications (1977–2014)

https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/aa815f

They would try and cancel her and belittle her as the right is doing now. Would she be able to go around them using social media lets say to convince people of evil government meddling in your life choices?

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From "The Nib", 2019-12-16:

The Children Are Our Future
by Niccolo Pizarro


^THIS is how the world is actually treating Greta Thunberg.  She's quickly becoming just another Media darling and a pawn of the global Green movement.  Next year, it will be someone else.

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Why should somebody that wants us to stick our heads in the sand and pretend that a major problem doesn't exist receive rewards? So of course, the denialist equivalent of Greta would not get a reward. Why would you expect them to?

Here's the thing, guys: Truth exists. It is the case that because of human activities, the earth is warming at a very fast rate, one which the ecosystem won't be able to adapt to very well, and which will have escalating consequences as the decades roll by. This is a fact. No amount of whining, crying, or handwaving will make that go away. The solution is to adjust what we're doing to mitigate this threat, and that is what Greta is trying to get us to do.

And it's not a left-right thing; it's only being made out that way because a political campaign by the fossil fuel industry, the Koch brothers, and others, are attempting to sow doubt and confusion, and to muddy the issue. In reality, this is something everyone can and should care about, not just the left.

This is pretty funny, and like the plot to every video game RPG.

I thought I was the only who'd noticed this -- every RPG/Game with a Hero's Journey features a child, a teen, or a young adult. They never feature a middle-aged or elderly person coming to the rescue.

We have been indoctrinated to expect this generation to fix everything the last generation has broken.

Greta is like a modern day Joan of Arc except she's fighting not for England but for the Earth.

I don't think all real or fictional heroes have to be young however - Gandalf comes to mind!

The solution lies somewhere in between. Ancient wisdom combined with the energy and enthusiasm of the youth.

What reward? You mean the same "reward" Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin got? People seem to think this magazine within a sea of magazines only publishes once a year. When in fact it issues weekly. And each week's magazine has a cover. And there have been many instances when Time has issued an unflattering picture or illustration of someone it's critical of. It has done that with Trump several times, along with naming him TIME Magazine Pearson of the Year <sound of trumpets>. So Greta had better watch out. Time magazine the magnificent might turn against her.

Climate change global apocalypse has been made political by the left saying the contributors to the impending end of the world are big business, the free market, capitalism and conservatives. Eliminate those and ta da the planet is saved. What most people who have been convinced the earth is coming to an end unless the planet goes hammer and sickle seem to know is based on magazine articles, climate change websites, and a teenage dropout.

Forget the fact that 21st century technology is replacing antiquated last century fossil fuel use anyways, because that doesn't facilitate the "we have to do something!" maxim.