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01 Jun 2020, 5:02 pm

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In my opinion, it doesn't matter if he had terminal cancer, a heart condition, and was choking on a pretzel. He did not deserve to be body slammed, or have someone kneel on his neck as he begged for air helplessly, in handcuffs, without assistance.

Police are paid to protect us, not to kill people or help us out the door.

Thank goodness there is a proper autopsy, though.


Are you saying my toxicology question is irrelevant?



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01 Jun 2020, 5:04 pm

One of the articles said a tox-report might take weeks.


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01 Jun 2020, 5:10 pm

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One of the articles said a tox-report might take weeks.


Oh, that explains why the first report made maybe or maybe not on the tox report.



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01 Jun 2020, 5:14 pm

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IsabellaLinton wrote:
In my opinion, it doesn't matter if he had terminal cancer, a heart condition, and was choking on a pretzel. He did not deserve to be body slammed, or have someone kneel on his neck as he begged for air helplessly, in handcuffs, without assistance.

Police are paid to protect us, not to kill people or help us out the door.

Thank goodness there is a proper autopsy, though.


Are you saying my toxicology question is irrelevant?


Toxicology is relevant in order for the autopsy to be completed, and all of the results or factors are needed in this investigation.

However, if cops decide to tackle a suspect who is restrained in handcuffs with neck compression and brute force, they must realise some people will be on drugs on have underlying medical conditions. They're taking that chance. There is no guarantee all suspects are of perfect health. Put him in the car or let him writhe on the ground safely if he's incoherent / irrational or acting deranged (which he wasn't, according to eyewitness reports).

I don't understand for the life of me, why such force was deemed necessary once he was restrained.

Why did Dylann Roof get a bullet-proof vest and free Burger King after murdering nine black people?

I doubt it's because they inquired about Roof's medical conditions and determined he wasn't fit for asphyxiation.


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01 Jun 2020, 5:28 pm

IsabellaLinton wrote:
Bravo5150 wrote:
IsabellaLinton wrote:
In my opinion, it doesn't matter if he had terminal cancer, a heart condition, and was choking on a pretzel. He did not deserve to be body slammed, or have someone kneel on his neck as he begged for air helplessly, in handcuffs, without assistance.

Police are paid to protect us, not to kill people or help us out the door.

Thank goodness there is a proper autopsy, though.


Are you saying my toxicology question is irrelevant?


Toxicology is relevant in order for the autopsy to be completed, and all of the results or factors are needed in this investigation.

However, if cops decide to tackle a suspect who is restrained in handcuffs with neck compression and brute force, they must realise some people will be on drugs on have underlying medical conditions. They're taking that chance. There is no guarantee all suspects are of perfect health. Put him in the car or let him writhe on the ground safely if he's incoherent / irrational or acting deranged (which he wasn't, according to eyewitness reports).

I don't understand for the life of me, why such force was deemed necessary once he was restrained.

Why did Dylann Roof get a bullet-proof vest and free Burger King after murdering nine black people?

I doubt it's because they inquired about Roof's medical conditions and determined he wasn't fit for asphyxiation.


I dont know about burger,omg first ive near it is here. It it’s common to give mass shooters or other hated criminals vest cause in past people have taken shots at such people.
The guy who shot Kennedy comes to mind, got shot as they walked I’m from jail to car.
To avoid that they make them wear vest as they may be horrible people but that doesn’t mean we should murder them or deny them their due process. If we do then why have government or justice system at all.


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01 Jun 2020, 5:38 pm

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That doesn’t mean we should murder them or deny them their due process. If we do then why have government or justice system at all.


Amen.


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01 Jun 2020, 5:40 pm

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He did not deserve to be body slammed, or have someone kneel on his neck as he begged for air helplessly, in handcuffs, without assistance.

The case seems to depend on medical examination.

1. Did the officer actually apply any force to his neck?

2. Was the "shortness of breath" caused by a reduced blood flow, because of a heart condition, or from pressure on his neck?


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01 Jun 2020, 5:44 pm

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IsabellaLinton wrote:
He did not deserve to be body slammed, or have someone kneel on his neck as he begged for air helplessly, in handcuffs, without assistance.

The case seems to depend on medical examination.

1. Did the officer actually apply any force to his neck?

2. Was the "shortness of breath" caused by a reduced blood flow, because of a heart condition, or from pressure on his neck?



3. When he said he couldn't breathe, did the officer order oxygen and help him?

4. Did they call an ambulance or emergency personnel?


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01 Jun 2020, 5:56 pm

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An officer's first line of duty is to serve and protect. I don't see any first aid or medical care in these pics.

I'm not pro-violence or pro-riot, but I am extremely pro-justice for everyone involved in this tragic story.

This man wrote a bad cheque and was already cuffed. Unbelievable.

He wasn't a mass murderer or a threat to the public.


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01 Jun 2020, 5:57 pm

IsabellaLinton wrote:
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IsabellaLinton wrote:
He did not deserve to be body slammed, or have someone kneel on his neck as he begged for air helplessly, in handcuffs, without assistance.

The case seems to depend on medical examination.

1. Did the officer actually apply any force to his neck?

2. Was the "shortness of breath" caused by a reduced blood flow, because of a heart condition, or from pressure on his neck?


3. When he said he couldn't breathe, did the officer order oxygen and help him?

4. Did they call an ambulance or emergency personnel?

I am seeing conflicting reports ... here is one ...

“The officers restrained the suspect on the ground and an ambulance was called,” Minneapolis Police said in a statement.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ne ... s-n1217476

"Police said in their statement this week that officers “noted (Floyd) appeared to be suffering medical distress” and called an ambulance"
https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/05/29/ ... following/

So, they called the ambulance before the incident.

They said he was resisting arrest and seemed to be delirious.

Likely, they suspected he was on drugs.


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01 Jun 2020, 6:06 pm

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I dont know about burger,omg first ive near it is here. It it’s common to give mass shooters or other hated criminals vest cause in past people have taken shots at such people.
The guy who shot Kennedy comes to mind, got shot as they walked I’m from jail to car.
To avoid that they make them wear vest as they may be horrible people but that doesn’t mean we should murder them or deny them their due process. If we do then why have government or justice system at all.


Taking Dylann Roof to Burger King was widely reported whether or not you cared about it or remember.


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01 Jun 2020, 6:07 pm

If that's true, then great. I'm very glad to hear they called an ambulance.

Sadly I would expect them to give him air, give him CPR, or at least give him space if he was in medical distress.

The evidence of how they treated him in handcuffs in appalling. There's no excuse.

How could a knee on the neck be considered help?

* The fact they called for an ambulance (if they did), proves they knew he was in distress.

It makes their conduct and their choices worse. *


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01 Jun 2020, 6:09 pm

Isa pictures don’t show two other officers as well as the main one all with both knees and so all their body weights on the victim. Officers aren’t suppose to use ore force then needed. Guy wasn’t resisting they didn’t need to put all their wieght on him especially on his neck I’m just surprised they didn’t break his neck putting all their body Wight on his neck like that.
With 35 pounds on my chest via a wigged blanket I have hard time breaking. I can imagine 150-200 pound per man would cause issue


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01 Jun 2020, 6:10 pm

George Floyd death ruled a homicide by medical examiner
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"the Hennepin County Medical Examiner listed Floyd’s cause of death as a “cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression.


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01 Jun 2020, 6:11 pm

This is beyond unnecessary
The other officers should get manslaughter at the least. I was against them being charged until I saw this.

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01 Jun 2020, 6:15 pm

I’ve watched all the videos and don’t see him resisting at all
Also suspicious is they had him on right side of the car against a wall then take him around to the left side away from the camera. Why didn’t they put him in the right side? Perhaps trying to avoid the camera so they could abuse him. 4th officer seems to be looking out for cameras. We’re their body cams off? I hate thst they can just turn them off. They should be turned on when they go to duty and locked on.


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